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K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
J.C.A.N
Date: December 09, 2004 05:29AM
The 3rd party/unofficial builds of Firefox are using 1.8a6= Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8a6) Gecko/20041208 Firefox/1.0+
This is bangbang023's version at "1208" tonight. Do we have anyone that has a 1.86a6 version in K-Meleon? Hao's version is 5. We are right behind Firefox's butt. I am always using his nightlies and still K-Meleon seems seconds ahead. Can you get the most recent version off of sourceforge.net? I think I am going to take a stab at building tonight, once I have everything. It's time to jump in.
J.C.A.N
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
KingSparrow
Date: December 09, 2004 06:11AM
Firefox 1.8a6 is quite new. Last I tried was Stipes 1.8a5 a few days ago. It's really fast but I still think it's buggy and unstable on some websites, yes maybe 1.8a6 would be it.
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
J.C.A.N
Date: December 09, 2004 06:20AM
Have you used Hao's? I just downloaded and what a clean mover it is. I like his version so far the best. I use Mozilla's 1.8a6 suite, and use the 3rdParty/unofficial builds from bangbang023,
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8a6) Gecko/20041208 Firefox/1.0+ (bangbang023) and also the new kid's Alpha K-Ninja v1(motstudios).
Very smooth and quick this build, if you haven't tried it; get to it tonight; you will enjoy.
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
fast sjonny
Date: December 09, 2004 09:28AM
I am using 1.8a6 based Linux FF every day and it is bleeding fast and stable. So when Hao has made a good 1.8a6 based KM build, my recommendation would be; go straight to his website, download the build and use it!
Jan.
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
jsnj
Date: December 09, 2004 10:11AM
So when Hao has made a good 1.8a6 based KM build
Is Hao making actual "builds" now? It was my understanding that Hao's concoctions are just Ulf's builds but with altered cfg files. Like what Sebastian does. If Hao is making actual "builds" then he should join the development team since Ulf would prefer someone else besides himself compile the actual exe's. Ulf would rather just work on code fixes & requests.
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6078668&forum_id=2617
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
Hao Jiang
Date: December 09, 2004 12:25PM
jsnj is right. My version is still based on Ulf's 1.8a5 code. I 'm still meeting problem with compiling K-Meleon 0.9 source although I can compile most of the plugins. I 'm trying to rewrite the mouse gestures plugin and make it support drag and drop function but still meeting problems.
Hao Jiang
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
fast sjonny
Date: December 09, 2004 12:36PM
Ok, I will cross my fingers then that you find the solution and can start making your own 'trunk'-based builds ;-))))
May be nice for other people to know; where did you get the latest KM-code?
I am asking because a few months ago I have looked for it, but the code that is available is more then half a year old I believe....
Greetings from Holland,
Jan.
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
ra
Date: December 09, 2004 01:34PM
where did you get the latest KM-code?
It's right beside the bleading test build...
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
guenter
Date: December 09, 2004 03:21PM
@Jan: i got source from 25.11.04 forward -> to lontronics k-m
@all
1.8.6 is 2 seconds faster than 1.8.5 on: on my old p500 on
http://scragz.com/tech/mozilla/test-rendering-time.php
(15 odd secs as oposed to 1.7odd). thx for hint You all.
I use Jan´s w-b chrome to get rendering faster.
I will try to maake 1.8.6 chrome on that basis - kind regards
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
fast sjonny
Date: December 09, 2004 03:40PM
Hi Guenter,
You are the greatest ;-)))))
Thank you for the latest source, although I can't do much with it at the moment. But you never know ;-))
About the 1.6, you are right about the speed. I am noticing the same on my fast computer, 1.6 is even faster then 1.5, which already was very fast.
I think they have optimized the code even a little more and have integrated the special code from mmoy to make for example rendering faster.
I can't remember exactly but my trunkbuild of FF is really flying. Rendering is <<2 seconds, what I have never seen before on my computer and websites are coming up just after the click of my mouse.
When you have some trouble with the 1.8a6 code Guenter, you can always mail me. I will try to help you then. May be it is time to switch from Wechselbalg to the latest build on my laptop??? ;-))
Greetings from Holland,
Jan.
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
fast sjonny
Date: December 09, 2004 03:40PM
Euhhh, with rendering I ment the testpage from Scragz ofcourse ;-))
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
logiman
Date: December 09, 2004 06:14PM
Me thinks you guys should work with Mozilla 1.8 instead of 1.7.3. I mean it's the start of Mozilla doing speed optimized versions, so why not skip 1.7.3 for something that will make K-Meleon achieve what is suppose to be. A super fast browser. Is working with betas more difficult and time consuming than official versions?
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
fast sjonny
Date: December 09, 2004 09:35PM
Mostly the process of compiling from trunk, beta or official is the same. Trunk can be broken sometimes, between beta and official should be no difference, although it is possible you have to use some patches.
But I think the problem is that Ulf doesn't want to.
He is doing a great job with the new build, but unfortunately his goal is the stable and slow 1.7.3...
Jan.
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
Andrew
Date: December 09, 2004 10:15PM
Expect 0.9 to come out on Mozilla 1.7.5 and with a lot of help from you all, 0.9.x to come out on Mozilla 1.8.x.
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
ndebord
Date: December 10, 2004 02:10AM
Andrew,
"Expect 0.9 to come out on Mozilla 1.7.5 and with a lot of help from you all, 0.9.x to come out on Mozilla 1.8.x."
It sounds good to me. Perhaps 1.0 could be based on Mozilla 1.8x?
N
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
KingSparrow
Date: December 10, 2004 03:01AM
That's a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year.................
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
guenter
Date: December 10, 2004 11:26AM
@Jan no need to change from w-b unless You can get someone that makes a w-b frrom 1.8.6 code - he he -
@all: Ulf is (perhaps?) right to do a official from 1.7.x - since it is politically correct.
(because we here in forum are a dedicated group & we can help ourselves when we run into problem - and we do not mind to experiment with builts even if they are below normal standart occassionally - but not all k-m users are like us).
But many here want a k-m that is fast.
So it would be nice to have an occasional little w-b for forum people ; o )
hind regards
p. s.
my slogan: -> more k-m = more choice!
& thx to good Hao and all friends from forum that make customized & recommpiled & new k-m -and/or themes or macros for all of us! but most specially thx to all that accompany/help with the official version.
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
Andrew
Date: December 10, 2004 07:51PM
(because we here in forum are a dedicated group & we can help ourselves when we run into problem - and we do not mind to experiment with builts even if they are below normal standart occassionally - but not all k-m users are like us).
guenter - yes, this is my understanding of Ulf's thinking. He said that those who want 1.8.x will accept having bugs to have the speed.
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
Al.
Date: December 10, 2004 10:05PM
Isn't there already a few unofficial builds floating around based on the Gecko v1.8 alpha code? If that's the case then that should be sufficient enough for the time being to tide people over until Ulf brings out an official version of K-Meleon based on v1.8, or am I wrong?
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
guenter
Date: December 11, 2004 10:24AM
@Al - thx for offering Eyes-Only help to update his themes
- that is great spirit of You (and him for giving them)!
- but You are wrong about this post - there can hardly be enough w-bs around ; o )
because more k-m = more choice!
@Andrew: good Ulf sees it that way.
& some of the k-m based on 1.8.x code have no more buggs than an official?
since most of the buggs and fixes in 1.8.x are not in browser,
in browser they mainly work on speed - so generally the 1.8.x family seem to get faster with increase in version number and work put into optimization.
be it as it may
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
Al.
Date: December 11, 2004 10:59PM
@Al - thx for offering Eyes-Only help to update his themes
- that is great spirit of You (and him for giving them)!
- but You are wrong about this post - there can hardly be enough w-bs around ; o )
Well that is actually the point I was making: there are indeed enough WB's/Unofficials around to keep people happy, especially if they want a K-Meleon utilizing Gecko v1.8alpha.
You can't catch me out on that one Guenter :-)
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
guenter
Date: December 12, 2004 01:28PM
@Al - matter of opinion - & i disagree - caught. regards
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
J.C.A.N
Date: December 14, 2004 01:22AM
Quote
Author: Al. (---.nsw.bigpond.net.au)
Date: 12-10-04 17:05
Isn't there already a few unofficial builds floating around based on the Gecko v1.8 alpha code? If that's the case then that should be sufficient enough for the time being to tide people over until Ulf brings out an official version of K-Meleon based on v1.8, or am I wrong?
Is Ulf the only one who works on the Gecko v1.8? If so why doesn't he look for more to join in, and if this is true already, then more folks should get in on these builds; that is building the next Gecko v1.8?. I would if there was explicit instructions on
what how in serious step by step how to's. Some even on the Mozilla site exlain but to a point, leading others who try to attempt a build into utter frustrations. I have posted a thread about someone re-updating a instructional how,what, and when to build the Mozilla, before any of us here could then start to think about helping out or desiring to make their own custom builds with K-Meleon.
I would assuredly do so but of course lack the knowledge to compose a step by step instructional so when anyone comes up to something they don't quite understand there would be plenty of thought behind implementing all the how to's and when to's and all the with what to's and in what
sequence on which OS was being used into the documentaion.
More and more folks are hearing about the blazing speed and stableness of K-Meleon each day, now is the time for such instructional's to be in place. Unless there are problems with ego's. In any case I desire to build and understand the undertaking but if I had more explicit instructions then I could render a build. The more folks undertake knowing about the "Gecko Engine and how to make first Mozilla" then possible K-Meleon would become a choice in browsers right now. Some on other forums have such ignorance pertaining to K-Meleon it's pathetic.
There can not be a number of sufficient builds. The crux here is to get more involved as the menu of this page suggest's. Those who have the knowledge should do everything possible to make building K-Meleon very understandable, even if it means a revamp of past threads. With more folks joining here and elsewhere you must do this or they will become stagnated and go off feeling as though this is nothing but some type of a social-community that what's to keep the lid on tightly.
2 heads are better than 1 is to put this into context here mildly and simply. But there is so much truth in this. The more heads working the better browser K-Meleon will become. To say there is no competition is lying to oneself, everyone on this forum would love to see K-Meleon as the choice of Internet users browser.
Look at AOL recently with their new deal, for $299.00 you get a complete rig (PC) out of the box, wonder what's going on in the corporate heads at hp, dell, sony, ibm, and the rest.Take a poll if needed, K-Meleon cannot be held by just the few anymore. It's time to help others learn all the how to's; period.
Come on folks let's do this once and for all!
J.C.A.N
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
Al.
Date: December 14, 2004 02:12AM
Is Ulf the only one who works on the Gecko v1.8?
Well yes at the moment he is the only one. He would like more people to be involved, unfortunately nobody is interested much, or they are more concerned about just weekend hacking and doing unofficial builds (and I'm not just talking about UI customizations to pre-existing betas either) rather than joining in and becoming an official dev. To me it must be frustrating for Ulf when he puts out the call only to find out months later that a bunch of guys got together in secret and did their own build at a time when a new official release was long overdue. Ulf is a nice guy, very knowledgable and willing to help anyone who wants to get involved, so I don't see why there isn't more people working on the project.
That's why I don't support unofficial builds much myself: if anyone is capable of building a K-Meleon, then they are also quite capapble of becoming an official developer. Official builds are where bugs get squashed and new ideas get implemented so that is where the action should be. I mean anybody can customize K-Meleon with a new macro here or toolbars.cfg there, it isn't rocket science. ;-)
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
J.C.A.N
Date: December 14, 2004 02:52AM
Alright Al then what do I have to do to become involved as an Official developer? Can you put me in touch? I am willing to learn the right way and become involved with K-Meleon official development, so how about it. I tried once on Sourceforge.net to join the mailing list or what ever one has to do to get involved, but perhaps I need to do something else or re-do what it was I did in the first place. Can you give me some help in getting involved?
J.C.A.N
Re: K-Meleon Based on Gecko 1.8a6?
Posted by:
Al.
Date: December 14, 2004 03:13AM
The mailing-list is the first step:
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kmeleon-dev
There aren't many official devs who pay much attention to these forums anymore so "volunteering" doesn't start here unfortunately. Other than that Andrew could put you in contact with Ulf, but be sure to have your CV and portfolio straightened out before proceeding. ;-)
In the other thread I posted the BuildTools link for you, these tools and the procedures mentioned are what you should familiarise yourself with. If you run into any problems building K-Meleon then yet again the devs mailing list is where to post. Ulf has been guiding Hao Jiang of late and I'm sure he'll be pleased to know that other people are getting involved.
These are the short term "suggestions". In the long term you will probably need to learn the C++ language. Maybe popping down to the local book depository and investing in a few C++ titles will give you some insights, as well as frequenting some C++ developers websites and forums. One good one is:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/
I know it might sound daunting but as like anything taking it all one step at a time will help. Oh and a lot of coffee will also help. ;-)