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SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: Jerry
Date: April 03, 2010 01:51AM

I'm trying to run v1.5.4 on my Win95-C laptop. KM installed fine and runs great unless I try to visit an HTTPS site, then I get the error message: "Could not initialize the browser's security component".

Maybe I shouldn't be trying to run this friendly little browser on Win95. Do I have to go back to Opera v10.00?

Thanks.

Jerry

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: desga2
Date: April 03, 2010 02:44AM

K-Meleon support SSL 1,2 and 3, but by default only SSL3 is enabled becuase this is the most secure of the three versions.

Read this thread.

What is the website where have you this problem?

I remember some time ago someone had this problem in Win95, this is due to some OS dll that is not include in Win95. Really is Win95 that not support SSL you can try update to Win98 or some people solved this problem updating to IE6 SP1.
SSl dll is included in IE6 but not in IE5.

Also read this.

K-Meleon in Spanish



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2010 03:01AM by desga2.

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: disrupted
Date: April 03, 2010 02:58AM

as desga mentioned, windows 95 may have missing components to enable ssl.

here's the thread with someone havng the same problem
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?1,94573,95070

you will at least need shlwabi.dll
first try this:

1- download shlwabi.dll from this link
http://kmext.sourceforge.net/libraries/SHLWAPI.DLL
save to c:\windows\system folder

2.go to start menu > run
in run type this:
regsvr32 shlwabi.dll
click ok

should displayed registered successfully..and kmeleon will be able to access secure websites..
if it still doesn't work..try a minimum internet explorer 5 or 5.5. install to get the missing components

ie 5.5 or 5.0.1 can be downloaded from:
http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/win32

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: Jerry
Date: April 05, 2010 03:53PM

Thanks to all who have tried to help.

I've tried all the suggestions of the "add this file" variety listed in this thread (and the other two linked threads) without any luck.

AHZVX claims to have made K-Meleon work by installing IE v6.0 first, but he was running Win98 to begin with. I am not prepared to do that and risk mucking up my perfectly well-running Win95 installation.

The good news is that in the course of researching a fix for getting K-Meleon to run on Win95, I have found another browser, Firefox v1.5, which has a lot of the "look and feel" of K-Meleon. It WILL run on Win95, right out of the box, without adding anything. I used the "portable" version from here: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable

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desga2
What is the website where have you this problem?

I used https://www.google.com/analytics/home/ as a quick test, but any URL that starts with "https" generates the SSL error. Or try http://www.netflix.com and click "Member Sign In." Also the K-Meleon GUI, without even being connected to the Internet, triggers the error message:
Edit -> Preferences -> +Privacy -> Encryption

Thanks again to all.

Jerry

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: siria
Date: April 05, 2010 08:02PM

Stupid question sorry, but when you type "about:config" and filter for ssl2, they ARE all on "true", right?

Can hardly be any missing windows file, or FF couldn't do it either. It's just hard to imagine for me that a gecko-1.8 KM couldn't do what a gecko-1.8 Firefox can, and a much older version at that. Still suspect just one of those hundreds of settings inside, or some certificate file or such, hmm...

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: Jerry
Date: April 15, 2010 04:44AM

Hi Siria:

I reinstalled a fresh copy using the K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.exe installer, using the default components suggested by the installer. "about:config" with a filter of "SSL2" returned seven entries, all set to "false." I set these all to "true."

Edit -> Preferences -> +Privacy -> Encryption
still returns "Could not initialize the browser's security component."

Thanks for the suggestion, anyway.

Jerry

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: disrupted
Date: April 15, 2010 05:31AM

looks like winsock..

i found this:
http://www.pocketsoap.com/pockethttp/
sez there:
"Windows 95 requires DCOM95 Installing first
Windows 95/98 requires additional installs for SSL support, see this KB article for details."

since they specifically mentioned 95 and 98(not se) that sounds like winsock update

problem is, the linked update is no longer on ms
404
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q276245

you'll need this 95 update
EN US Q276245

i couldn't find it..

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: disrupted
Date: April 15, 2010 06:36AM

i think that's the update you need:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/0/a/00a7161e-8da8-4c44-b74e-469d769ce96e/dsclient9x.msi

hopefully that will make ssl work
you will need windows installer for 9x because it's an msi installer

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: Jerry
Date: April 27, 2010 02:30AM

Hi Disrupted:

I don't think I have a DCOM95 issue, because I have the last version of DCOM95 Microsoft put out. It's dated 1-23-01. No thanks to a lot of bad links on the MS website, anyone else needing DCOM95 can find it here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/confirmation.aspx?familyId=d7a4de78-81a9-4db7-beb6-84ff99342172&displayLang=en

Also here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d7a4de78-81a9-4db7-beb6-84ff99342172&displaylang=en

I don't have MSI installer on my machine, and I don't particularly want it. Do you know what's in that MSI link you posted? Is that just another way of installing the DCOM95 update?

Thanks.

Jerry



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2010 02:35AM by Jerry.

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: disrupted
Date: April 27, 2010 03:35AM

it's not dcom.. it's an active desktop update which updates ssl as well .ms is only offering sslfor 95 with dsclient and not standalone.

inside the msi installer is an installable cab file dsclient.exe and an eula license readme. inside the dsclient cab is a bunch of dlls. 2 of them i suspect is your needed files. secur32.dll and crypt.dll.. i'd compress them and upload them so you can save in windows\system folder but i don't really think that would be a good idea as they might be rely on other dlls and because they are system files they will need a proper install routine so they can be registered correctly because a version mismatch could send the system into an endless boot loop.

the installable cab is just as good as the msi..so you can just use it instead to update.

i've uploaded it here
http://kmext.sf.net/tests/dsclient.exe

updating with the cab might not prompt you to restart..if it doesn't then remember to restart manually because it's a system update

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: Jerry
Date: May 05, 2010 04:47AM

Thanks for your continued help, Disrupted.

I ran the DSCLIENT.EXE setup, but it stalled on the screen that says:
"Please wait while the wizard configures your system. Destination file:"

The thermometer (progress bar) filled completely, but there was no activity after that, and the CANCEL button was the only active button available. I let it sit for 20 minutes, then canceled.

I had used TOTALUNINSTALL before running DSCLIENT.EXE, so I had a list of all the changes it had made, even though the last message told me I had not installed DSCLIENT.

I rebooted and tried K-Meleon, but I still get the "Cound not initialize . . . " message from EDIT -> PREFERENCES -> PRIVACY -> ENCRYPTION.

K-Meleon seems to have clumps of DLLs in only two folders, so I tried putting all the DSCLIENT DLLs in each of those folders to see if K-MELEON would find anything it liked and use it, but it didn't.

BTW, the DCOM95 in the DSCLENT package *is* the same one I've been running all along.

I have to give you A+ for your persistence, though.

Jerry

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: disrupted
Date: May 06, 2010 03:00PM

check this link, something about cert8 might be set to read only
http://forums.techarena.in/technology-internet/1239965.htm

if still doesn't work, download those 3 dlls there:
http://kmext.sf.net/libraries/win95
save them in windows\system

(backup same files if applicable)

go to start run and register them one by one and click ok after type:

regsrv32 cryptdll.dll
regsrv32 instsec.dll
regsrv32 secur32.dll

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: Jerry
Date: May 21, 2010 06:41AM

Hi Disrupted:

From information in the link at [forums.techarena.in], I checked for a CERT8.DB file, but there wasn't one anywhere in my K-Meleon tree.

I uninstalled v1.5.4, and installed v1.5.3 and found that SSL works fine there. There is also a cert8.db file in the v1.5.3 in the \K-Meleon\Profiles[unique].default folder, so I copied it to the similarly named folder in v.1.5.4, but still no joy.

v1.5.3 also had a key3.db file which v.1.5.4 didn't have. I added it, but it didn't help.

On your other suggestion:
The three files cryptdll.dll, instsec.dll, secur32.dll were copied and registered, but produced this error message with each registration: "Cryptdll.dll was loaded, but the DllRegisterServer entry point was not found." I also tried putting copies of the three files in \k-meleon as well as \windows\system, but Still no SSL function with v1.5.4.

The CHANGE LOG http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/bugs/findbug.php?summary=&description=&status%5B%5D=4&target%5B%5D=25&creator=&daterange=&moddays=&submit=Search for v1.5.4 doesn't seem to have dealt with any SSL problems specifically, but something sure changed after v1.5.3 that Win95 doesn't like.

v.1.5.3 is probably just the end-of-the-line for Win95 users. I tried the BETA version of v.1.6.0a4, and it won't even begin to load. At least with v.1.5.4 the GUI would load, so it appears we're heading off in a new direction without backward compatibility. You may have to hit me over the head with a brick, but eventually I will see the handwriting on the wall.

Thanks for all your help. You definitely get A+ for effort.

Jerry

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: disrupted
Date: May 21, 2010 10:07PM

that's kinda weird, this means that gecko 1.8.1.24 no longer supports 95? which is quite strange since it works on 98 so it's probably missing some file or component in 95 that 24 gre needs but is available in 98

km 1.6 drops support for win 9x naturally but it's no kmeleon devs fault, it's because mozilla doesn't support 9x in gecko 1.9. there's an unoffical 9x update called kernelx which makes it possible for 9x users to run nt programs.. i'm not sure if it works on 95, personally i wouldn't fiddle with it on 95. you don't need to see the writing on the wall, i'd never tell anyone to update their os for a browser or any program..that's what others do in some forums but not here. it's great that 1.5.3 is working, you don't really need 1.5.4, i'd stick with 1.5.3. 1.5.4 fixes a couple of bugs in km macros, you'll probably never notice or need and the gre update is trivial security fix, so you aren't really at risk.

if you really wish to use 1.5.4 or future km for nt, only then i'll suggest updating to a more updated os yet usable with your hardware' that'd be windows 98se

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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: Jerry
Date: May 22, 2010 01:48AM

I'm just going to continue with v1.5.3, which seems to work on all the sites I visit that require a "modern" browser, and it runs much better than Opera v10.00, which seems to have trouble releasing memory after its been used.

I use the HPGURU managed HOSTS file that blocks malicous sites, so I've never had any "security" problems.

Thanks again.

Jerry

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Can I turn off the update reminder?
Posted by: Jerry
Date: June 02, 2010 02:52AM

OK -- now that I am comfortably ensconced in KM v1.5.3 for the rest of my life, how do I go about turning off that annoying start-up message that tells me there is a newer version of K-Meleon available?

Thanks.

Jerry

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Re: Can I turn off the update reminder?
Posted by: disrupted
Date: June 02, 2010 03:35AM

that's easy, just open preferences:edit>preferences
select kmeleon plugins and uncheck update checker, like this:


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Re: Can I turn off the update reminder?
Posted by: Jerry
Date: June 09, 2010 10:15AM

Thanks! I never even looked there. I didn't think I had any "plugins." I always thought "plugins" were things like "Flash" and "Quicktime" and I knew I didn't have anything like that.

Jerry

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Re: Can I turn off the update reminder?
Posted by: JujuLand
Date: June 09, 2010 01:53PM

Plugins are add-ons, and K-Meleon can use kplugins which are specific plugins written in C++.

K-Meleon can also use netscape (or mozilla) plugins like flash, ....

A+


Mozilla/5.0 (x11; U; Linux x86_64; fr-FR; rv:24.0) Gecko/20140105 Ubuntu/12.04 K-Meleon/74.0

Web: http://jujuland.pagesperso-orange.fr/
Mail : alain [dot] aupeix [at] wanadoo [dot] fr




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Re: SSL won't work (Win95)
Posted by: 4td8s
Date: November 16, 2010 02:58AM

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disrupted

regsrv32 cryptdll.dll
regsrv32 instsec.dll
regsrv32 secur32.dll

no, no, NO, disrupted! don't register the instsec.dll file! I found out that dsclient for win9x during setup renames the "instsec.dll" file to "secur32.dll" if dsclient setup detects certain 128bit encryption editions of certain DLL files.

INSTSEC.DLL is really a 128bit version of SECUR32.DLL
the normal SECUR32.DLL found in dsclient9x, dcom95 & dcom98 is a 56bit version.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/16/2010 02:58AM by 4td8s.

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