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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: everling
Date: April 11, 2006 03:34PM

I claim innocence on "(re)enabling the [ img ] tag". I didn't do anything to enable the image tag here, it was always working. ^_^;;

The regex for the [ img ] tag requires that "http : //" or https or ftp must be included. So if the user didn't include them, that may lead to the impression that it didn't used to work.

I've disable the image tag, for now at least.

It's possible to test the images to make sure they are friendly, but the test isn't practical. The server would have to download the image and check it, and do those checks every now and then to make sure that the image didn't get switched with another image or object.



I will need to change the logic for linking without [ url ]...[/ url ]. The current regex is time consuming, I could run about 30 other regexes within the time the existing regex takes to scan for valid links.

This isn't a particularly big problem, the worst that will happen is that the links without [ url ][/ url ] that was posted in this forum since 04-09-06 14:42 would be rendered as plain text. >__<

Unless I were to go into the database to fix them....

I'm still working on the fix for the regex problem. It'll be out in a few hours. In the meanwhile, [ url ] is safe to use. smiling smiley

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: rmn
Date: April 11, 2006 10:09PM

Wow, that's interesting. I have never, ever seen anyone use images during my years in this forum, so I assumed it was disabled. My apologies.

> It's possible to test the images to make sure they are friendly, but the test isn't practical.

Of course it isn't practical :-) .
And anyway, without the img tag people can still link to images using the url tag, without all those problems.


About the non-[ url ] links:

> Unless I were to go into the database to fix them....

Uh, don't worry; copy-and-paste or (rclick -> Selected Text -> Go to URL) are easy enough....

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: everling
Date: April 12, 2006 12:34AM

Had a trouble with the captcha, it wouldn't accept any of my answers. >__<

Then I discovered that it checks only on the occurences of "http" (more than 3 times and it will use the captcha). >smiling smiley

Now that I know where it is, should I disable the captcha or increase the limit? sleepy smiley


== original post ==

I've updated the URL handling functions of this forum and fixed the minor performance issue. The current behaviours are as follows:

http://www.example.com == [delete]www.example.com, should be linked. Checks for "www" and any one of "com, net, edu, mil, gov".

http://www.example.com == [delete]http://www.example.com, should be linked
https://example == [delete]https://example, should be linked
ftp://www.example.com == [ url ]ftp://www.example.com[/ url ], should be linked


example.com == example.com, not linked
example == example, not linked
example == [ url ]example[/ url ], not linked
www.example.com == [ url ]www.example.com[/ url ], not linked
example.com == [ url ]example.com[/ url ], not linked
example == [ url ]example[/ url ], not linked


Should I change the behaviours? Keep in mind that I did not change the behaviour of the [ url ] tag, it's the same as the original.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: Enaitz Jar
Date: April 12, 2006 12:53AM

Do you mean that this style of links:

http://www.writeawebhere.com

Will not be linked?

I think this should be linked because this is the most common format.

PS. I have deleted the wrongly posted thread, as requested.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: ra
Date: April 12, 2006 01:41AM

IMHO http://www.example.com should be linked, too (anything starting with www that has at least two dots in it and has a valid domain).

BTW: Would it be possible to store "image-tag on" in the cookie? That way the image tag could be enabled for those that don't mind images.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: Enaitz Jar
Date: April 12, 2006 02:49AM

I did only write 3 x W and the dot plus the "writeawebhere" dot com. The system added the http://

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: everling
Date: April 12, 2006 09:42PM

Enaitz, yeah, I added the "http://"; to follow the original Phorum style, it requires that "http://"; to recognise as a link. But I could easily change that.

Also, anything that starts with "http://";, "https://"; and "ftp://"; until before a whitespace will be linked:
"http :// example . my" will be linked: http://example.my


BTW: Would it be possible to store "image-tag on" in the cookie? That way the image tag could be enabled for those that don't mind images.

It could be done. I personally prefer for the moderators to remove any offensive images, as is done in the forums I frequent.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: Enaitz Jar
Date: May 07, 2006 01:03AM

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: everling
Date: May 09, 2006 12:25AM

Sorry. My old and faithful laptop is in her death throes for the last week or two, the LCD panel is going and there are weird crackles in the speakers. In addition, I really didn't like the idea of doing web programming work on a desktop, still don't. And on top of that, I got sidetracked with developing my own alternative to PhpMyAdmin.

I feel bad for not having said anything before dropping off the face of the forum. I'm sorry.

Anyhow, I'm in the process of retrieving my last revisions on the forum from the sourceforge servers.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: Enaitz Jar
Date: May 09, 2006 12:42AM

You don't have to apologize, we all have our real life (and real problems) outside Internet.

I'm also absolutely out of time and full of small (but insidious) problems this days, may be an epidemy :-)

Just take your time, and thanks for the hard work.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: bst82551
Date: May 09, 2006 03:50AM

Yes, we're all busy people. We do not expect your help, but I'm sure that we all are very grateful that you do help with administration of the K-Meleon website, all out of the goodness of your heart.

Brian

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: ndebord
Date: May 09, 2006 08:35AM

everling,

Get your computing house in order and don't worry about us. You've done yeoman work here and we all very much appreciate it. As for the laptop over desktop, I couldn't agree more. I don't even have a desktop and never have!

N

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: Fred
Date: May 09, 2006 09:18PM

Everling, no need to worry. You have done and are still
doing a fine job. Everything is working well.

Fred

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: everling
Date: May 09, 2006 11:30PM

Thanks guys. ^^;

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: ra
Date: May 18, 2006 04:32AM

If you have some time left for an easy fix: The site icon is missing on all forum pages and the style-tag should be in the head, not after it.

So, instead of </head> you could put in the following

<link REL="SHORTCUT ICON" HREF="http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/favicon.ico">;
<meta name="keywords" content="web browser kmeleon k-meleon mozilla gecko windows win32">
<meta name="description" content="K-Meleon is a fast and customizable lightweight web browser for Windows, based on the rendering engine of Mozilla. K-Meleon is free (open source) software released under the GNU General Public License.">
<meta name="robots" content="index,follow">

and add the </head> again after </style> and before <body bgcolor=#ffffff text=#000000 link=#5998a8 alink=#5998a8 vlink=#5998a8>.

Mmh, maybe you want to remove <meta name="robots" content="index,follow"> for the forum..?

BTW: What's <style tpe= ...?? type would be correct. That's a fix for all pages if you have some more time left...

And I really hope that the forum doesn't break everything now (where's that Preview again..?).

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: Enaitz Jar
Date: May 18, 2006 03:59PM

IMHO we should give priority to the anti Spam tools.

Keeping the old discussion alive, I firmly opposite to ask for registration, but I'm thinking that it will be good to have a captcha for 2 things:

- To start a new thread.

- To post on an older than 3 weeks thread.

This would leave more than 90% of the forum activity without captcha while blocking more than 95% of the Spam, and it may be easy to implement.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: guenter
Date: May 18, 2006 09:10PM

@everling - You are doing a great job. I will not forget how things were before You took over maintenance, we were waiting forever. Now all is quite fast.

@Enaitz Jar: preventing: To post on an older than 3 weeks thread! is needed.
Either block it totally or capcha it - or make some form registration needed for writing in old posts - like You need the same that are needed for bug reports?

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: ra
Date: May 19, 2006 01:00AM

IMHO we should give priority to the anti Spam tools.

No problem, but there are certain other issues as well. The one I outlined above requires just one free minute to be fixed I presume and it is an easy and safe fix I guess. If this would be one of my sites I'd rather fix it soon. <g>

Keeping the old discussion alive, I firmly opposite to ask for registration, but I'm thinking that it will be good to have a captcha for 2 things:

- To start a new thread.

- To post on an older than 3 weeks thread.


Would be okay with me. :-)

This would leave more than 90% of the forum activity without captcha while blocking more than 95% of the Spam, and it may be easy to implement.

Yep. And let's keep in mind that 98% of all spammers post URIs / links.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: Enaitz Jar
Date: May 19, 2006 02:35AM

"Yep. And let's keep in mind that 98% of all spammers post URIs / links."

About this, I've to say that even when it may sound unbelievable this is, at least in my spam killing experience (which is BTW too short), not exact.

I can't understand why, but about a half of the spam simply says : "I love your web page, is full of interesting things." and that's all, no links on the message doby, title, or publisher name. The other half posts a link using html code under a name as "benzedryne", "Viagra", or something like this.

But most of the regular forum users also post links, so that's why I don't think that restricting people to post links will help (if this is what you suggested, Ra, which I'm not sure).

Again, IMHO a captcha for new threads an older than 3 weeks threads will be the best solution, avoiding at all cost registration systems.

PS. I'm with Guenter (and I'm sure I'm talking by anyone here) to thank Everling for his help with the Forum maintenance, things are going very well now. Thanks Everling.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: guenter
Date: May 19, 2006 03:53AM

"this is a nice site" the ppl either mean our forum is nice : )
or ppl want their url as origin posted : (

like (87.223.183.---) but they fail to see that the damaged adress
that our forum creates normally is not very good to use for
google page rank improvement by creating links from high ranking places.

But still Google knows that Your number is in Spain - just google the damaged nr.

The other want to advertice and to get page rank for the anker text:
e.g. "benzedryne"
It improves their Google page listing for the key word used in the tag.

like "Best Spanish internet browser" in a "a href" tag pointing to Your page ; )
Then ppl that use that keyword will find Your page higher in google.

btw - i have parts of 1.8.0.1 chromes to test for faults when used:
Including a little application that is about: Aplicaciones auxiliares
or Aplicacions d'ajuda or Laguntza-aplikazioak ( whatever that means : )

Have You ever tested such chromes?

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: Enaitz Jar
Date: May 19, 2006 05:04AM

@ Guenter.

Thanks for your explanation about spam, it was very interesting to see why they want to fill of crap our beloved forum.

No, I have never tested those chromes, but "Aplicacions d'ajuda" sounds like the catalonian (Catalonia or Cataluña is the part of east Spain where Barcelona is) way of saying "applications for help". The other is for sure the basque (Basque Country is the part of north Spain where Bilbao is) way of saying the same. As I was born in a town near Bilbao I'm supposed to be basque, my first name is clearly a basque name, very uncommon in Spain and even rare in the Basque Country.

I know you're a very clever person with deep knowledge, so please excuse my little explanation about geography, you may already know it, but most other people all over the world probably have not heared about Catalonia or Basque Country in their whole life.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: guenter
Date: May 19, 2006 06:15AM

I enjoied Your informative explanation.

It is "Helper applications" a string from mtypes-editor. in Catalan and Euskara
or whatever the languages are called : ) = ca-AD and eu-ES

I have translations - but i was not sure whether they are dialects or languages. Was not there a fourth language "Aragonese"? Or are there even more official or semi official languages in Spain?

if You want, I will send You the next 1.8.x core chrome and a version of mtypes for either es-ES, eu-ES or ca-AD (Your choice) as soon as i am sure about chrome layout which is done by alain.

Spam: i am sad about ppl poor enough to make a living as spammers.
well - If they say nice forum i feel a little pity - but not with ppl selling druggs...

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: everling
Date: May 19, 2006 11:18AM

ra: I've taken care of your little grievances. It did take a little longer than one minute, but it is a no-brains-required job. smiling smiley

Enaitz: There are some people who just wish to say nice things. And they can quite clearly see that the IPs are incomplate. smiling smiley

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: Enaitz Jar
Date: May 19, 2006 05:11PM

@ Guenter:

About spanish dialects, well, in the beginning there were three regional languages in Spain, and also the spanish:

- Catalonian: Old mixture between spanish and french which now is different from both.

- Basque (or Euskera): Ancient language which, as the Basque Country is a very difficult, mountains full, region, has been changing from one lonely town to the other. So in the '80s, as there were about a dozen of different basque dialects, the nationalist basque party decided to join all in just one united language and teach it on the schools. This caused many young people to learn a language which was not understood by their fathers because was not the same basque language. It's called the Basque Batua (United Basque) and has replaced all the other natural basques.

- Gallego (in english may be Galaic): Speaked in the north west of Spain, is similar to portuguese.

As the nationalism problem is growing each day in Spain, the politicians keeps demanding more rights and special competences for their regions and not for the rest of Spain, every spanish region wants to be different and "historical" and nonsenses of this kind. So dialects which before were considered as grammar faults typical of rural and not teached people now they are considered full languages with dictionaries to let speak the regional politician of the day.

Other languages are Valenciano and Mallorquín (almost equal as the Catalonian), and Bable from Asturias. Also people from Aragón, Andalucia and Cantabria (those from Cantabria pretends that just by ending any word with an "u" makes a new language).

@ To the rest of the people on the forum: Please excuse me :-)

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: guenter
Date: May 20, 2006 12:41AM

Was not only idle talk because i wanted to know whether we continue to search
for other nationalized chromes from Spain ( Galician = Galego / 3 million speakers ).

"Dialect" is when they can understand each other without learning
the language ( e. g. in school). So i assume that You want say they
can understand each other ; )

p. s. The problem seems that "es" has not developed as a lingua franca that provided means for understanding between dialect speakers or for translating the bible (like Dutch and High German). It was the language of the reconcista = Castilian.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: everling
Date: June 16, 2006 06:30AM

I'm still alive!

*cough*

Anyway, did anybody noticed any problems with the K-Meleon forum at http://k-meleon.sourceforge.net/forum/ ?

The following are forum upgrade stuff that I remember that needs to be commented on:

Enaitz Jar wrote:
We could also correct the forums numeration, the bugs forum should be number 2 (now is the 3) and the develpment should be number 3 (now is 2). This or change the order on which they appear on the main forum window.

Not to be fixed. I can fix that, but I won't because it is only a cosmetic fix.

To use Captchas when:
- starting a new thread
- posting to threads older than 3 weeks

To check and resolve the "unapproved messages" error in the forum admin page.

To revert the "Threaded View" back to the original code or fix it.

To fix the font sizes to look the same as the original.

To retain the user's original words when URLing valid URLs.
eg: http://www.example. com is currently modified to http:// http://www.example. com, which isn't that good.


Is there anything else that I am forgetting?

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: everling
Date: June 16, 2006 06:32AM

/looking at the URL examples in his previous post
Okaayy.... there is still a bug in the regex for URL handling...

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: rmn
Date: June 16, 2006 09:12AM

Two small requests here :-)

[wiki]Documentation[/wiki]
[bug=100]a bug[/bug]


Oh, another thing, don't forget to update the Message Formatting Tags page.

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: everling
Date: June 16, 2006 11:59AM

rmn: Okay. Any particular behaviours that you'd like out of [wiki] and [bug]? I'm not that familiar with bugzilla or wikis, so I don't quite know what is expected. ^_^;

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Re: Forum Maintenance
Posted by: rmn
Date: June 16, 2006 02:25PM
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