I have uploaded a new updated unofficial variation K-Meleon-F353 .
It is based one the latest Firefox353, Gecko 1.9.1.3/ date 20090824

* This is an experimental version, using parts of the upcoming K-Meleon generation and based on Gecko 1.9.1.3 .
* My intention is to present an 1.9 variation that works in Windows, but also in Linux with wine, where the conditions to work are more difficult for K-Meleon than in Windows.
* This version works only, if you have the files msvcp71.dll, msvcr71.dll and mfc71u.dll in your system or in your K-Meleon main folder. If you need these dll's,look for them in the Internet. If necessary in Linux, put them into the K-Meleon main folder.
* The profile will be created inside the K-Meleon folder. If you want it inside the
".wine" folder, because of user rights problems, rename the file profile.ini to
profile.ini-renamed before the first start.
* In Linux the URL bar is only usable with more recent wine versions.
If you are using an older wine version, use the URL button to open an URL prompt.
* A recent version of wine for Linux is preferable, to minimize possible crashes.
* Opera has been set as user agent, to avoid errors in complex webpages with insufficient browser recognition. The user agent can be changed in the menu Tools.
* A Javascript button has been added. Reload the page after enabling or disabling javascript.
* Many additional Search Engines in the menu bar, opening in a new window.
* A general startpage is already in the bookmarks.

* Note : This is just a proof of concept, not a polished final version, so some things may not work yet.

* Keyboard shortcuts:
Page back : (right)ctrl + left arrow
Page forward : (right)ctrl + right arrow
Close Window : (right)ctrl + down arrow
Go to home : (right)ctrl + up arrow

Download the zip file at :

http://two.xthost.info/eichhein4/K-Meleon-F353.zip

If in Vista the Internet is refused using a user account, start it once (but only once) as an administrator.
This should enable Internet access for the user account as well.

Regards to all

Fred

Fred

One question for you. I see that in Profiles, you are using Gecko 1.9xxx's sqlite. Any ideas on how NOT to use this new dBase idea in KM?

Tks for listening.

N



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2009 09:42PM by ndebord.

if in vista the internet is refused.. install linux

@ ndebord

I have no clue of how to avoid sqlite.
But it seems that the variation does not call
up the harddisk in regular intervals without
an action like going to a new website and
adding it to history or bookmarking a site.
So I am not worried too much up to now.

@ disrupted

Yes, Vista can really confuse people.
The safety concept may be efficient, but it is
too complicated, and provokes most users
to go back to work in administrator mode
as they always did, leaving Windows open
to all attacks from the web.
Most Linux distros have a better way to
achieve security, using su or sudo to work
as root temporarily.

Fred

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Fred
@ ndebord

I have no clue of how to avoid sqlite.
But it seems that the variation does not call
up the harddisk in regular intervals without
an action like going to a new website and
adding it to history or bookmarking a site.
So I am not worried too much up to now.


Fred

Fred,

So then, finding a 3rd party utility to handle bookmarks and the same for history (if that is important to you) should do the trick. In FireFox, I have history set for one day and use PrefBar to clear it out as I'm browsing and when I close it down. I also use the Old Location Bar and turn off as much integration of passwords, history, bookmarks and cookies as I can.

N

Prefbar is one of the best addons for Firefox.
In K-Meleon many of Prefbar's functions are already included.
It is of course difficult to find out, how dangerous sqlite
really is, but as there are millions of Firefox users, it is
up to them to object to annoying functions in Mozilla.
As K-Meleon users we can only follow the track of the
Mozilla developers and hope that this track is acceptable.

Fred

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Fred
Prefbar is one of the best addons for Firefox.
In K-Meleon many of Prefbar's functions are already included.
It is of course difficult to find out, how dangerous sqlite
really is, but as there are millions of Firefox users, it is
up to them to object to annoying functions in Mozilla.
As K-Meleon users we can only follow the track of the
Mozilla developers and hope that this track is acceptable.

Fred

Fred,

Prefbar is a standard for me on FireFox, as is Old Location Bar, No-Geo and lots of about:config tweaks. Seamonkey is going down the same path, so K-Meleon will too with the exception of Hao's build using LastPass for passwords. 3rd party utils is the only way out, which means minimizing use of SQLite... which sort of defeats the purpose of using a Gecko engine.

SQlite issues come to light when you run FF with default settings. Mainly privacy issues of having history, bookmarks, (and passwords in a separate file) co-mingled. Not transparent if you wish to change this behavior. And then there is the issue of hard drive churning by constant writing by SQLite (power settings on my laptop are worthless because of this churn). File sizes, in some cases, can grow to enormous size, which increases churn and then the white list black list issue of allowing Google to decide what sites are safe and which are not. That means you have to trust their decision making including the probability that they will not black list their own sites and as Google is very large, that could become an issue.

N

There is nevertheless a difference between Firefox and
this K-Meleon variation.
places.sqlite is only 132 kb and does not grow bigger.
It can even be deleted, although it will be recreated at
every new start of the browser.
The huge file urlclassifier.sqlite does not exist at all in
the K-Meleon profile and there are no files that will grow
and grow infinetely. I do not know, if this can be exploited
by Google as well as in Firefox.
So it does not seem equally strange as the behaviour of
Firefox itself. And as you mention, Seamonkey will go
the same way.
I would also say, that an external password manager is
probably safer, even if this is will be less confortable.

Fred

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Fred
There is nevertheless a difference between Firefox and
this K-Meleon variation.
places.sqlite is only 132 kb and does not grow bigger.
It can even be deleted, although it will be recreated at
every new start of the browser.
The huge file urlclassifier.sqlite does not exist at all in
the K-Meleon profile and there are no files that will grow
and grow infinetely. I do not know, if this can be exploited
by Google as well as in Firefox.
So it does not seem equally strange as the behaviour of
Firefox itself. And as you mention, Seamonkey will go
the same way.
I would also say, that an external password manager is
probably safer, even if this is will be less confortable.

Fred

Fred,

Yes... I saw that... in KM 1.5.3, that file doesn't exist (yet??) but there is a file called sqlite3.dll?

The urlclassifier.sqlite file (I believe) is the one that adds in favicons, bookmarks and history? Or perhaps that is the one that does the Google white/black lists?

As for an external password manager, I think KeePass is good, but it doesn't import Netscape Passwords... <grrrr>

SIGH

N

This Gecko 1.9.1 K-Meleon variation would not
work without sqlite3.dll.
I presume, that the file urlclassifier.sqlite, which is
not present in the K-Meleon profile, does contain
the Google lists. There might be more information
about that in mozillazine posts.

Fred

urlclassifier.sqlite
I didn't see it mentioned explicitly, but as I understand it "urlclassifier.sqlite" is used for Firefox's "Attack Sites and Web Forgeries" protection . They had a big problem when it was first implemented because it would immediatley download 40-60 MB which made everything stop. Then they had it download what it needed more reasonably. In Firefox under Security -> Attack Sites and Web Forgeries can be disabled and the file "urlclassifier.sqlite" can be deleted. It may reappear but as I remember it will not grow. Sorry for stating what everyone knows--and I hope I got it right.

btw, thanks Fred for 353

I don't know how all this will eventually sort out, but I started using SRWare Iron in Windows for my job because it functioned best with the software I have to use, and I fell in love with the speed (that is, with the quickness of renendering pages). It is significantly faster than Firefox in my experience. Last night I used Iron for Linux alpha for the first time and it was by far the fastest browser I have ever seen in Linux. As you may remember Fred, I started using K-Meleon in Wine because I was dissatisfied with the speed of Linux browsers.

(Iron is a version of open source Chromium--from which Google makes Chrome--with a lot of Google's "spyware" removed. Iron also has an adblocker that Chrome does not have--and the adblocker works without slowing the browser down noticeably. http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php)



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 09/20/2009 04:14PM by playdayz.

@ foobarly

Thank you for reporting about Iron alpha for Linux.
I have tested it shortly in Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty.
Note that Linux distros with libc lower than
version 2.8 are not supported. This includes
the long time supported Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy and
all other older distros. There are also other
libraries that may be missing in some distros.

The speed is impressive, faster than Firefox
as it seems, but not faster than K-Meleon-F353.
I would say they are playing in the same league.
Some sites load faster in Iron, others are
faster in K-Meleon but the differences are very small.
Opera 10 is also among the fast browsers.
The speed may also depend on the power of
your computer and the usable ram.

Personally I still prefer K-Meleon in Linux,
because it is the most versatile for my needs.
The macro language makes it possible to adapt
it to my desires, and it is usable in all
the different Linux distributions that I use.
Nevertheless Iron for Linux is a very promising
browser for the future, especially because
there seem to be no spying parts included,
as it seems to be the case in Google Chrome.

PS :
Note that it is useful to install microsoft-corefonts
in Ubuntu when using wine, for example to be able to write
a forum posting in the K-Meleon forum directly.
The font that is needed is Courier (cour.ttf) .

Regards

Fred

@ playdayz

Please excuse having you addressed as foobarly.
I seem not to have been very concentrated
for a moment, when I wrote the wrong name.
Sorry.

Fred

No harm done, right?

--- sig ---

no harm done of course. it was an honor ;-)

Hello, i need a mirror again. Please use easy-share, hotfile, mediafire or megaupload.

@ Linuxuser

OK. I have uploaded K-Meleon-F353 additionally
to Easy-share, at :

http://www.easy-share.com/1907974761/K-Meleon-F353.zip

I don't know how long it will last or how many times it
can be downloaded from Easy-share.

The main link is still :

http://two.xthost.info/eichhein4/K-Meleon-F353.zip
Regards
Fred

several mirror are added
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hi, i noticed a bug. Adblock is not working...
what are the language files? i'd like to have this version in french.
thanks

@ gandalfzoro

Thanks for the additional upload.

@ jose

There is no language pack available, because
this is only an experimental variation, using
Gecko 1.9.1.3 as a proof of concept.
Adblock is not included, and as for all extensions,
I can not guarantee that they work.

Fred

The download address for K-Meleon-F353
can now also be found on the page for
unofficial K-Meleons , here :

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/wiki/UKmeleon

Fred

Hello Fred, I used Firefox 3.6 for the first time the other day and it was *f*a*s*t*. That is the gecko 1.9.2 I assume. On the Peacekeeper benchmark 3.6 registered a 2750 when Firefox 3.5.3 is at 2175 (the scores only apply to the machine they were tested on). Wow (or maybe Firefox has learned to score higher on that particular test). How does it look for using gecko 1.9.2 in a Kmeleon?

The next Firefox update will be 3.5.4 (Gecko 1.5.1.4).
Firefox 3.6 is still in beta 1 state (Gecko 1.6.2.b1).
I have tested shortly the Linux versions of 3.5.4 candidate
and 3.6b1. The differences are not enormous and change
from website to website. The speed is in the same range
as of my latest K-Meleon variations based on FF 3.5.3 (Gecko 1.5.1.2)
and Seamonkey 2 RC (Gecko 1.5.1.5pre).
I will try to do an update when FF 3.5.4 will be released,
but I think FF 3.6 is still in a too early state to serve
as a base and this would confuse some users.

Regards

Fred