I used to use Opera pretty much exclusively, for ages. It was on my 486 and was adware back then. But it was fast. I don't know when I started using Kmeleon, but it was a long time ago as well. I used it primarily on my laptop back then, or on my desktop when a page would not render correctly in Opera. KM never let me down, always rendering properly. I have not used IE except when a page demands it for.. well, seems like forever.

Anyhow, I have been using KM exclusively now for perhaps a year. Nothing else at all. It opens everything fine. It is light, as most know. It is still a browser, my favorite part, not a suite.

But after this time I really don't think it is faster than Opera. For my use. I usually open many tabs for research, and open the last session when starting. It is noticably slower than Opera in the last session respect. KM is snappy for sure. Beats FF hands down. With Opera, I think the latest versions are slightly ahead in rendering time, but not much. I can't say exactly what it is about KM that seems slower than Opera. Perhaps just the way I use it.

I downloaded the latest stable and beta of Opera yesterday. It is definatly faster. It seems. I just cannot adjust though to the 'suite' feeling of it. It has great features. But I love the simplicity of KM, as well as the macro and plugins.

Tell me, those who are supporting KM. Do you feel this is a user issue, as in how I use it. Do you think upcoming versions can develop any more speed?

Tis' not that I wish to leave KM at all. But I don't feel it is as light as Opera anymore. I have also noticed that with perhaps 15-20 tabs open, it can become sluggish and unresponsive. One very nice thing about KM is that it never BSOD's me. Used to be Opera would occasionally cause a BSOD with many tabs open. When checkdisk ran on reboot, always file fragments in Opera's cache. Maybe due in part to the firewall I ran then, but KM never did this.

No reply neccessary except for information on what future KM may hold.

MrWoo.

Opera's Java Script engine is faster then that of Gecko 1.8 engine. More than two times faster. This will not change untill K-Meleon has Gecko 1.9. or 1.9.1.
If You use much JS go Opera untill K-Meleon 1.6.

If You toggle Opera's mail and other apps the browser starts fast and still feels light.

p.s. Better?

My opinion. K-Meleon is better for my personal uses. I do not go much to script heavy pages.

Opera would be my only real alternative to K-Meleon. Both are complete for stapples such as mouse gestures... Opera ships some things I do not use. & I do not like its mail.

My favorite Firefox extensions (the most essential extension projects even support our little machine, thx. Plus some were made compatible by PPL here: Console2 which alain found for us, spell check which mark307 made compatible) exist for K-Meleon & not for Opera.

Browsing speed is comparable. For the things I use K-Meleon has the edge.
Opera make different (arguably better) use of it cache. It appears faster.
I prefer new data not cached data. So Opera is wasting PC resources on that.
I usually use a P III 500.

If I remeber values correctly Opera (when Mail etc. are not used) is the fastest starter of all browsers (on the first, cold start) K-Meleon follows (on cold start, small margin) on all consequtive starts K-Meleon will start faster (reuses system libs that are not shut down?).

IMHO K-Meleon strikes the best bargain (between RAM and CPU usage) when normal usage is involved. More than one program used. Restarted for banking etc.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2009 02:23PM by guenter.

Do not get mislead...

K-melon can be helluva fast...Let`s not forget that most of the people are using K-meleon with the deafault settings on forgetting that each connection is different.
Unlike 0pera K-meleon can be easily modded to suit your tastes and needs.
You can mess around with the network settings,.Play with the defaults, twisting dials and stuff and fine ,FINE tunning it for your OWN USE, in a way Opera would never allows you to do it ...Put it this way...to fine tune OPERA the way you can fine tune the K-meleon you will need to use a HEXEDITOR AND MANUALLY HACK ALL THE DLL`s ..Go back to the version 1.5.2 forget for a while the 1.5.3 version learn to play with it and you will learn to love it like me...

Look here:In the archive you will find my all.js and a reg file i use to speed up the computer and the network connection on the tcpip.sys

http://rapidshare.com/files/245484507/Fast_k-meleon.rar.html

Allong with this settings you add the http://www.lvllord.de/ little nice patcher who never fails, dowload the patcher if you are on XP...and bust the connections back to 16 millions..


And you will see that K-melon can crap all over Opera...

No disrespect for Opera.. I use the latest version of opera usb I am member of the opera forum and i personally beleive that Markus is Super guy...
Except for the fact that he does not want to go crazy with the network settings... I actually emailed him couple of times and talked aboout this but he was not happy about it...He seems to beleive that there are a lot more things that needs to be improved before the network settings and ,Yeah i guess he is right...
Anyway...I am half my way trough of learning how to do this stuff in K-meleon...
Guenter and Dorian are trying to help me out...

Guenteeeeer wake up buddy..!!


PS: REMEBER THE SETTINGS ARE MADE TO WORK WITH MY BROADBAND CONNECTION...YOU WILL HAVE TO FINE TUNE IT...

Probably lower it a tad , just to be on the safe side...


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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2009 09:57AM by Gorilla no baka.

i like them both.. in the past opera had some issues with standard compliancy but i think this has been fixed in recent builds.. version 10 has struck a good balance with js speed and system resources(much better than webkit V8 and gecko 1.9.1+). my biggest problem with opera is configuration, preferences thingies..i get very confused.

opera 10 is the last 'well-known' browser that still supports older windows(including win95) all the other engines have dropped support for anything less than xp..i have great respect for opera and the people behind it but km is my favourite choice

@ disruped,
look into dev forum @ asmpgmr's posts (You 2 may remember his 5 yo posts).
No I do not think that GRE 1.9.1 is a resource hogg. The XulRunner layout has 2 times as much ./components code than K-Meleon will use, when special light GRE is made for K-Meleon. Or so I hope. IMHO You can build it with VC7.1 or Toolkit 2003 and if asmpgmr's theory is right, it will be build for Win9.x also.

@Gorilla, guenter is wide awake, has placed sort of nightly into dev forum, completed an 1.8.1.22 build with free VC8 and needs that Gorilla builds a K-Meleon exe for it.

Serious You can build 1.8.1.22 with VC8 Express only activeX support breaks the build. It looks like You'd need an k-mexe that is compiled with that also. Guess I will have to reconsider and learn to build K-Meleon with my free toolz.

BTW. I spoke under the condition that MrWoo needs much JS, Opera is an option.
MrWoo asked where PPL think project might be going. I do not know 4 certain.
But I think K-Meleon will definitely want to use the new JS engine.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2009 02:52PM by guenter.

Opera is great but when it comes to KM. You can customize it so damn easy once you know what you are doing. You can probably do that with Opera but when I was using it I had to go through this, that, there, next to, under,scroll then check this box just to make a tiny adjustment. When in KM ummmmmm press one key lol



Reeko

@ Mr. Woo

RE: 'suite' feeling of it

Good anaogy. And I share your sentimts regarding KM and Opera 10 with it's new rendering engine Presto 2.2. And with the eye candy and unneccssary tool bars removed it seems as though it provides more screen real estate than KM, wich is not the case.

It does seem faster particularly once it has cached the page. But KM doesn't have that
"'suite'" feeling" and is easy to customize almost any way I want to, particularly with help from the good folks here at the fourms.

Charlie

~~If it ain't broke, why screw it up?~~

Gorilla no baka:

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Gorilla no baka:

Doesn't look good, VT report 20/41....

http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/e9d789f3f25b961a193e696881e4f26f1f5786f1bd5384ff0997603f93f4bad2-1245146583

:O

But what use it?

Here is a more specific report....

http://www.threatexpert.com/report.aspx?md5=6293be40916b014903ed2cfb356ab1bb


Could therefore be false positives?





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2009 08:29PM by Paul.

yeah..it's a false positive. i applied same patch or something similar long time ago to remove the tcp/ip limits..no problems and gorilla obviously has no problems either. antiviruses just get worked up over anything that will alter system files..even if it's a good thing. trust your friends ..not mr. norton.

xgrind.. here are more details about it
http://www.lvllord.de/?lang=en&url=4226patch/faq
http://www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php?id=1497
http://www.trustyfiles.com/help-sw-xpsp2.php

Thanks



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2009 11:50PM by xGrind.

Where to put the all.js?

@ xGrind:
In \K-Meleon\defaults\pref folder.

K-Meleon in Spanish

Guys it is a false positive


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yeah..it's a false positive. i applied same patch or something similar long time ago to remove the tcp/ip limits..no problems and gorilla obviously has no problems either. antiviruses just get worked up over anything that will alter system files..even if it's a good thing. trust your friends ..not mr. norton.

xgrind.. here are more details about it
http://www.lvllord.de/?lang=en&url=4226patch/faq
http://www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php?id=1497
http://www.trustyfiles.com/help-sw-xpsp2.php

Thank you disrupted


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But what use it?

Xgrind...

Lord`s patch is famous all over the world...there are many companies out there that carge to the skys the inocent users for providing a blingy tool that removes the limit doing the same stuff as the Lord`s free tool..

This one is ugly free and the most efficient type of work i have ever seen.

German precision!

Hats off...


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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/2009 01:35PM by Gorilla no baka.

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Paul
Here is a more specific report....

http://www.threatexpert.com/report.aspx?md5=6293be40916b014903ed2cfb356ab1bb


Could therefore be false positives?

Source


http://www.lvllord.de/



Recent false virus-notifications
Some AntiVir Software vendors added the patcher into their virus-definitions. The patcher is often detected as 'Tool/EvID'. But as a first info:
The patcher ist NO VIRUS.
Some virus and trojanwriter uses the same technique to increase the limit. After that its easier for them to spread to other computers in the internet. This runs without knowledge of the user. So he is not informed about what's going on.
With the patcher here, every user can decide on his own if he wants to change the file and if yes how high the limit should be. Also the user will be warned if he chooses to high limits, as already infected machines will spread existent viruses and trojans easier to the net. So everybody can choose on its own and is not forced to. The patcher itself does not contain malware.
The virus-notification therefore should be seen as an information that this program contains the functionality to increase the limit. If that program is not known or has not been installed you can delete it.
I hope I have answered some questions.

LvlLord


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yeah..it's a false positive. i applied same patch or something similar long time ago to remove the tcp/ip limits..no problems and gorilla obviously has no problems either. antiviruses just get worked up over anything that will alter system files..even if it's a good thing. trust your friends ..not mr. norton.

xgrind.. here are more details about it
http://www.lvllord.de/?lang=en&url=4226patch/faq
http://www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php?id=1497
http://www.trustyfiles.com/help-sw-xpsp2.php

Nice one disrupted....


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gorilla no offence meant mate, thats why I checked it out more after the VT report.

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gorilla no offence meant mate, thats why I checked it out more after the VT report.

Paul..

None take buddy...You can not be to carefull nowadays...I still remember the first time when i tried it...I fired up my test machine ,disconected it from the network
And tried the patch on a empty machine just the OS..

Anyay you can check at anytime if the patch tryes to connect to the internet or something with the "netstat" command

As in netstat -b as you can see in the pic..




This one will list the proceses and the programs conected to the internet..
Speaking about it ...Looks like i have to disable the Java updater...:drool:

As you can see it connects to 213.120.177.154



213.120.177.154

13.120.176.0 - 213.120.183.255
infrastructure

Ken Hayes
Broadband Platform Team
UK
+44 1922 706028


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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/2009 03:34PM by Gorilla no baka.

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@ xGrind:
In \K-Meleon\defaults\pref folder.

Now perhaps a stupid ?

Where to put the 1 FAST INTERNET CONNECTION.reg? Merge with the Windows Regitry?

Charlie

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@ xGrind:
In \K-Meleon\defaults\pref folder.

Now perhaps a stupid ?

Where to put the 1 FAST INTERNET CONNECTION.reg? Merge with the Windows Regitry?

Yes...You merge it..

But remember:

First back up your registry...

Secondly take time and adapt`em for your use..

Bassicaly should not be any problem at all..

But remember that this settings are adapted and made for MY CONNECTION that is to say... for broadband connections and in most of the cases the values are a tad over the official approved ones.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/2009 04:00PM by Gorilla no baka.

@ Gorilla no baka

Thank you. Since I am on dialup I guess it wouldn't do me any good.

Charlie

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@ Gorilla no baka

Thank you. Since I am on dialup I guess it wouldn't do me any good.

Actually yes IT WILL ...

You just have to lower the values a bit..

That`s all...First of all give it a shot...See how it`s working for yourself ...If it does not perform well start lowering the values until you find your own value...


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