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Re: K-meleon instead of IE6
Posted by: Mikk
Date: January 07, 2014 01:52AM

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siria
perhaps not even S2014 works well enough.

It doesn't work compettely as I wish, really. As I allready reported:
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Mikk 3th Jan 2014 04:21
Compared to 1.5.4 are till now visited web sites displayd correct but its very very slow. Additionally occur often messages about not responding (or defect) scripts which I can stop.

That mentioned messages appear not perheaps because of a too short time out setting, but after a long waiting without anything visible happens.

Additionally it seems the browser is able to do only 1 task intime. E.g. one page loads very long and in other browsers I can read e.g. other allready loaded tabs while waiting but here not. I must wait until the first page is loaded to can view other tabs or similar. Or I can insert data in a small data insert field very fast but the characters need more seconds per one to be displayed. And uring this time I can do nothing but wait.

Others: I want to scroll 1 display page and click the vertical bar rights for it. But it doesn't scroll only one display page but it steps page per page to the bottom or top of the whole site page. The same if I want to scroll only a few rows klicking the top or bottom of that vertical bar. It steps slowly until it reachs the top or bottom of the site page.

These are the first bugs I appeared till now.

I'll try now perheaps both methods:

To go on in my replacing of as faulty messaged files. I hope that messages will occur still seldomer and I'll see how it works. In this matter I'll create a new FredS2014+2.6JamesD°Mikk version grinning smiley.

And also your interpolation method I'll try too.

One question: Did you install perheaps any inofficial SP or other inofficial updates except of the KernellEx on your 98SE any time?



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2014 11:56AM by Mikk.

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Re: K-meleon instead of IE6
Posted by: siria
Date: January 07, 2014 02:48AM

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Mikk
One question: Did you install perheaps any inofficial SP or other inofficial updates except of the KernellEx on your 98SE any time?

Yes sure, here or there over the years, but pity can't remember any details. Actually not that many. But there probably lies the hidden third key to KM1.6+

Your endless scrolling prob I have too occasionally, but very rarely. Must say I also use javascript only if forced, by default have it off! Mostly for security reasons, but also for performance probs with 256MB RAM. JS really slows some pages down extremely. Then if some page doesn't fully work and I really want to see it, instead of switching on JS, first thing I do is kill the css (macro "styles") and look if the hidden content may show up this way too. Works amazingly often grinning smiley

But otherwise your probs are far more severe. For example if a page is busy loading, I can still switch to another tab and read that one meanwhile.

What really bugs me though is the bug that I can't stop a script page once it has started loading, except if killing the internet connection!

Today I'm actually intrigued that KM1.7alpha runs far better on win98 than I had remembered, and there seem to be some 1.7 bugfixes posted in the forum (mostly by realgy). And Dorian just posted today that he could fix the right-click menu bug in KM74 by removing one single line in the code, makes me wonder if that fix wouldn't possibly work in 1.7 too, and perhaps a few similar others too. Then on win98 we wouldn't be stuck with 1.6 but with 1.7, which is already a huge step forward. Only prob being, that the developers surely have no interest anymore today to waste time for win98, just for the 2-3 people still using it out there ;-) Anyway, next time a modern page fails completely, I can try with 1.7alpha first instead of another browser smiling smiley

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Re: K-meleon instead of IE6
Posted by: siria
Date: January 07, 2014 03:07AM

Hi Mikk, do you have MFC80U.dll in your system folder??
I did think there was something with that file, but thought its name had been mfc80, forgot the "u". But now digging again through old notes that name keeps popping up...
Perhaps you have it already somewhere in the programs folder, as I did?

Although, your KM doesn't say it were missing it, hm.

Another old note, was about some 1.6alpha version:
"...all it took was to get that msvcp80.dll! That dll doesn't seem to have worked from that redist install in that winsxs folder (in win98se), but it does work fine if it's either in the KM folder or in the windows/system folder"
Today that file is already contained in the download version, but perhaps it might help a thing to copy over some more msvc... files in the sys folder? No idea, just wild guessing since nothing helped so far.



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Re: K-meleon instead of IE6
Posted by: Mikk
Date: January 07, 2014 01:15PM

I could extend my list of the replaced faulty dlls meanwile as follows:

xpcom_core.dll
nspr4.dll
JS3250.DLL
\components\XPPREF32.DLL
\components\NECKO.DLL
\components\XPC3250.DLL
\components\IMGLIB2.DLL
\components\DOCSHELL.DLL
GKGFX.DLL
...KM wasn't closed properly. Do U want to resume Ur last browsing version - y/N
\components\GKGFXTHEBES.DLL
\components\GKLAYOUT.DLL
\components\UCONV.DLL
\components\JAR50.DLL
\components\GKWIDGET.DLL
SQLITE3.DLL
Window opened transparent
THEBES.DLL
Window opened white
\components\MORK.DLL
\components\GKPARSER.DLL
resource:///readme.html
View-Toolbars-Options:
MOZZ.DLL
\components\TXMGR.DLL - not replaced
web - insert login data
\components\TXMGR.DLL
opening web (ib)
\components\GKPLUGIN.DLL
3 days more or less problemless surfing; clicking link to some simple URL in FaceBook page (non-userregistered)
\components\embedcomponents.dll
€dit 19:52CET 09.01.2014: A new error occured - the last 2 rows added.

But now seems this special version to work fine. It could be intersting to ask Fred and James what is diffrent in these theier dlls. I'm an absolute noob in creating of such files thats why I'm not able to judge which consequences can have - positive and negative - to leave them in a version for which they were not specifically made, allthough they seem to work better than the originals.

Untill further notice I'll leave that approximative method alone. Now the next time I can perheaps ask allready for some details for settings what I can't find, if it's possible or not.

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siria
Your endless scrolling prob I have too occasionally, but very rarely. Must say I also use javascript only if forced, by default have it off! Mostly for security reasons, but also for performance probs with 256MB RAM. JS really slows some pages down extremely. Then if some page doesn't fully work and I really want to see it, instead of switching on JS, first thing I do is kill the css (macro "styles") and look if the hidden content may show up this way too. Works amazingly often grinning smiley

But otherwise your probs are far more severe. For example if a page is busy loading, I can still switch to another tab and read that one meanwhile.

What really bugs me though is the bug that I can't stop a script page once it has started loading, except if killing the internet connection!
Another range of my noobness: What is the meaning of Javascript? I know only it's a script language and people say it should be for better security deactivated. But it must have any purpose why it is contained in the browsers. I read somhere Mozilla wants even to eliminate the possibility to deactivate it in the next FF version. Otherwise I had now for a shorttime the FF 3.6.28 installed, official minimum specifications 233 MHz (exactly my frequence) and 64 MB RAM (I have 5 times more) and it was really extremely slow - because of JS perheaps? The only what doesn't corrsponde to my PC is that W98 but this should solve Kex (set correctly grinning smiley). I deinstalled it again.

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siria
Today I'm actually intrigued that KM1.7alpha runs far better on win98 than I had remembered, and there seem to be some 1.7 bugfixes posted in the forum (mostly by realgy). And Dorian just posted today that he could fix the right-click menu bug in KM74 by removing one single line in the code, makes me wonder if that fix wouldn't possibly work in 1.7 too, and perhaps a few similar others too. Then on win98 we wouldn't be stuck with 1.6 but with 1.7, which is already a huge step forward. Only prob being, that the developers surely have no interest anymore today to waste time for win98, just for the 2-3 people still using it out there ;-) Anyway, next time a modern page fails completely, I can try with 1.7alpha first instead of another browser smiling smiley
It should be nice we could make this small but not meanigless progress to 1.7 if it shall work fine.

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Hi Mikk, do you have MFC80U.dll in your system folder??
Y, I have.

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siria
"...all it took was to get that msvcp80.dll! That dll doesn't seem to have worked from that redist install in that winsxs folder (in win98se), but it does work fine if it's either in the KM folder or in the windows/system folder"
Today that file is already contained in the download version, but perhaps it might help a thing to copy over some more msvc... files in the sys folder?
I've this file in all 3 places - in KM as in sys as in winsxs.



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Re: K-meleon instead of IE6
Posted by: siria
Date: January 07, 2014 04:11PM

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Mikk
Another range of my noobness: What is the meaning of Javascript? I know only it's a script language and people say it should be for better security deactivated. But it must have any purpose why it is contained in the browsers. I read somhere Mozilla wants even to eliminate the possibility to deactivate it in the next FF version

Whow... you kidding??
Well there are people who want to send you back into caves if you don't like JS and there are others (like me) who hate that JS especially opens the door to your computer wide open for all sorts of malware and spyware and bloatware (there are more doors like flash etc., but guess it's by far the most frequent). It allows the other side of the connection to have access into your computer and steer it if they want. Also perfect for spying you out, not just the originating site but also the advertisers on it can do it.
On the positive side JS allows more functionalities on websites. For example if you want to view an online map like openstreetmap.org JS is absolutely necessary or you don't even see the map. But often it's completely unnecessary and most websites don't need it at all, or only for gimmicks or minor improvements (for example in this forum you can post without JS, no prob, but the extras don't work like smilies choice etc., although you can still insert them manually if you know how).
And if there are TONS of script on some sites the page loading gets extremely sloooow on computers with little RAM, even up to a complete freeze sometimes.
So the best solution is to allow it on the sites YOU need it and to block it on all others.

If you never surfed the web *without* javascript just test it now and compare the speed:
View > Toolbars > Privacy Bar (what's it again in german?) and press the JS button.
Or just hit F7 to toggle JS on-off.
Then if you come across a site where something important is missing, you can still hit F7 again and reload it.

If your computer is REALLY slow I'd also try blocking image animation (in menu Tools/Privacy) to speed it up.

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Re: K-meleon instead of IE6
Posted by: Mikk
Date: January 08, 2014 11:24AM

There are still many problems, new ones are appearing by using the tool. For compatible sites is IE6 still by a wide margin the fastest browser. My actual prob now with KM is I cannot see the captcha codes. JS is on.

As I see JS will be used this time for so many things, that it is allmost impossible to hold it off. Is there not any macro or similar to toggle JS for each tab separately?

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Go to about:config and filter for .jit., it has to do with some advanced javascript stuff getting executed parallel at same time or such. At one point setting it to false it reduced some memory probs on win98.
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I forgot about the jit (just in time compiler) settings about:config name.
What should I do, what purpose has it exactly? (I could see about:config is a sensible area especially for beginners as I am one.



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Re: K-meleon instead of IE6
Posted by: guenter
Date: January 08, 2014 05:34PM

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Mikk
There are still many problems, new ones are appearing by using the tool. For compatible sites is IE6 still by a wide margin the fastest browser. My actual prob now with KM is I cannot see the captcha codes. JS is on.

As I see JS will be used this time for so many things, that it is allmost impossible to hold it off. Is there not any macro or similar to toggle JS for each tab separately?

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siria
Go to about:config and filter for .jit., it has to do with some advanced javascript stuff getting executed parallel at same time or such. At one point setting it to false it reduced some memory probs on win98.
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guenter
I forgot about the jit (just in time compiler) settings about:config name.
What should I do, what purpose has it exactly? (I could see about:config is a sensible area especially for beginners as I am one.

Mach mal Privacy Bar an, dann siehst du bei JS und so was du an hasst.
Bilder: Press F9 to toggle/umschalten images.
Ich glaube Kaptscha sind oft oder immer Bilder.

about:config Google die Werte an denen du stellen willst vorher auf Mozillazine.

Dann passiert schon nichts Schlechtes. Was du änderst wird im benutzten Profil/pref.js geschrieben. Notier es dir noch wo anders, was du tust.
Falls du den Browser dann komplett gekillt hast, dass er nicht startet, kannst du da editieren oder ein neues Profil starten.

Zu K-Meleon 0.71 Zeiten haben wir da ständig editiert. grinning smiley



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Re: K-meleon instead of IE6
Posted by: Mikk
Date: January 09, 2014 11:39AM

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guenter
Bilder: Press F9 to toggle/umschalten images.
Ich glaube Kaptscha sind oft oder immer Bilder.
Thanks for the hint about F9. (Allthough german should be easier for me I think there is better here in the common part of the forum, when also non-german-understanding people understand what we talksmiling smiley). Displaying pictures I have on, anyway. Captcha are pcstures usually indeed but in some kind special. It happened to mee allready once longer time ago, all pictures except of captcha I could see. I thing it was caused I had activeXcontrols off that time. But today I can see it again in that web without I changed anything. I don't know what was going there yesterday.

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Mach mal Privacy Bar an, dann siehst du bei JS und so was du an hasst.
Funny I don't see any text in the buttons of the privacy bar, I can't see which button is what. Only if I let the mouse hover over that ones there appears a popup with this there.

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about:config Google die Werte an denen du stellen willst vorher auf Mozillazine.
It was easy to me to change the value of the execution time in JS to 30 s but about the setings of jit I'm not wise.

Anyway, I discovered now perheaps I can reach something by Edit > Configuration > User Settings. But if I click it on I get only the error message "the file user.js could not be found". But this file is in \defaults\profile present. Where is the mistake?

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guenter
Zu K-Meleon 0.71 Zeiten haben wir da ständig editiert. grinning smiley
It shall be surely no problem for me sequently later to edit in about:config as I get familiary with that thing. Also about Windows registry say people it is dangerous to change there somthing there and in my first Windows time I had much respect before of it. But now it's no problem for me to meke corrections there in ranges which I allready know or which are selfexplained enough. Even I don't see as necessary to loose my time making a backup before my changes, as recommended.



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siria
So the best solution is to allow it on the sites YOU need it and to block it on all others.

If you never surfed the web *without* javascript just test it now and compare the speed:
My favourite web kicks me off from logging-in if disable JS even if I'm just in another tab/web and the 1st one is only in background. A friend of me asked following for the possibility to toggle JS for each tab separately. I think it is not possible in the basic equipment of KM. Or indeed? Or isn't there any macro or something such for it?

But there is so much of JS in the actual webs, also necessary things, that it's often difficult to surf them without JS. I read somewhere in the last time, Mozilla wants even to eliminate the possibility to deactivate it begining the next FF version.

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siria
View > Toolbars > Privacy Bar (what's it again in german?)
Privatsfärenleiste should I saysmiling smiley

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siria
If your computer is REALLY slow I'd also try blocking image animation
It's usually not such terrible. This problem had I sometimes years ago - perheaps on my old PC yet (166 MHz, no MMX, 128, first time even only 64 MB RAM) - sometimes went my PC very slow down at some animated GIFs as they appeared on the screen. Then I blocked image animation if necessary or said to its owner he should put it away if possible. Till now I see this phenomenon sometimes e.g. on smilie pages where the screen is full of animated ones.

Now some usefull details known from IE6 to me, which I can't find here:
1. Small icons - should reduce the height of the bar
2. To set the content of the main icon bar. E.g. I don't need (I think same as you, Siriasmiling smiley) the printer icon; it occupies only useless the space there in the bar. Vice versa could be perheaps some aditional ones usefull as e.g. those copy + paste + cut + delete
3. Can I find images & other m'media files in I'net cache and make them displayable?
4. Where can I see which cookies are effectively saved? And what about super cookies?
5. Favorites ordered not only alphabetically but individually

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Mikk
it seems the browser is able to do only 1 task intime. E.g. one page loads very long and in other browsers I can read e.g. other allready loaded tabs while waiting but here not. I must wait until the first page is loaded to can view other tabs or similar. Or I can insert data in a small data insert field very fast but the characters need more seconds per one to be displayed. And uring this time I can do nothing but wait.
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siria
if a page is busy loading, I can still switch to another tab and read that one meanwhile.
This problem persists at me even if JS disabled.

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Mikk
I want to scroll 1 display page and click the vertical bar rights for it. But it doesn't scroll only one display page but it steps page per page to the bottom or top of the whole site page. The same if I want to scroll only a few rows klicking the top or bottom of that vertical bar. It steps slowly until it reachs the top or bottom of the site page.
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Your endless scrolling prob I have too occasionally, but very rarely.
I have this everywhere. As longer the bar as more. It's very nerve-racking. It is one of the most used functions in the browser window mostly fully automatically clicked without to think over it. And also here: Until the page reache its top or bottom it works absolutely nothing others in KM. I must strongly avoid to tuch the range of the bar outside the button. Still again beginns the page to jump up and down because of it, I must break my work and wait when and where it stopps. On long pages it can be than allmost endless and the only way out is ctrl-alt-delsad smiley. Do you know, was it allready reported as bug?

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What really bugs me though is the bug that I can't stop a script page once it has started loading, except if killing the internet connection!
Now I have this prob in one web too. Really bugging, you're right. In IE possible to stop it by clicking the cross button in the main bar, not in KM. Another bad possibility to stop it is ctrl-alt-del - not really bettersad smiley. Bug reported?



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Re: K-meleon instead of IE6
Posted by: siria
Date: January 09, 2014 01:47PM

Forgot about the black-text-on-black-background prob with default aura-alpha skin in win98, sorry. Am using my own extended skin and am long-since used to switch to either that one or Klassic when trying out a new profile, as soon as needing the privbar. The prob is not that black is defined as transparent (that would work fine), but as partly-transparent (even if 100%), and semi-transparency just doesn't work yet in win98, or perhaps only with further tricks.

In a first step switch to "Klassic" skin, which is the alternative skin already included. But I'd recommand on win98 to try my Classiria, which has all the Klassic buttons and a few more, and it comes with a dark version as option (probably needed on your systemwide customized darkblue menu background). Or try any other dark skin, there are new modern ones out there with nicer buttons, am just not sure with which transparency system the images were created in each, haven't checked.

Of course you can customize which buttons to show and which not in KM, it just works differently.

Many basic things of customizing are explained or linked in the FAQ, which is at least partly updated for current KM versions. Although in general the homepage and wiki are so badly outdated it still describes KM 0.X..
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/wiki/FAQ

Very strange that you don't have a user.js in your profile folder! Although that specific thing you don't really need, using about:config is far easier.
But who knows what else is messed - try creating a new profile?

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In IE possible to stop it by clicking the cross button in the main bar, not in KM. Another bad possibility to stop it is ctrl-alt-del - not really bettersad smiley. Bug reported?

Long since reported and perhaps (?) already fixed in newest KM74, but out of reach (yet?) for win98.
But don't you have network button in the right corner to stop only the connection, instead of killing the whole browser?



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Re: K-meleon instead of IE6
Posted by: Mikk
Date: January 10, 2014 06:08AM

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siria
Very strange that you don't have a user.js in your profile folder! Although that specific thing you don't really need, using about:config is far easier.
Stranger I have it. As in my

C:\...\KM\K-Meleon_1.6.0Betat2.6JamesD+...\defaults\profile

as in

C:\WINDOWS\Anwendungsdaten\K-Meleon\dheimgyq.default

(both empty, only the line

/* ----- DO NOT EDIT ANYTHING ABOVE THIS LINE -------------------------------------------- */

inside). But nevetherless I get that error message as I should not have it.

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siria
Long since reported and perhaps (?) already fixed in newest KM74, but out of reach (yet?) for win98.
Some file which could be possible to try to plant it in 1.6 if it works anyway?

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replace the opera hotlist.dll with the old one from KM154, even if you don't use it, because the newer has a bug that deletes the opera nicknames (if a user has defined any)
Just done in my modification allthough I don't use it, as you recommended, but for preventive purpose and to hold it bugfree as possible. But what should be better on the newer hotlist.dll except of this bug or what can work less optimal with the old one? The newer is about 10 % larger than the old one.


But my available time to taste around this browser seems to be slowly over. It works as far as well now, although not (yet) 100% properly. I hope I'll can to come later to go on to do tests and trimming.



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Re: K-meleon instead of IE6
Posted by: siria
Date: January 10, 2014 06:59AM

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Mikk
C:\...\KM\K-Meleon_1.6.0Betat2.6JamesD+...\defaults\ profile

That's not your current profile. It's the template folder for new profiles. You can create and use multiple profiles if you like, and choose at browser start which one to use.

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Mikk
C:\WINDOWS\Anwendungsdaten\K-Meleon\dheimgyq.default

Not your current profile folder either ;-) You said you still have the "profile.ini" in the KM root folder. That means your profiles for this installation are portable and found inside the programs/k-meleon folder. You can jump to this folder with Edit>Configuration>Profile Directory.
The user.js you don't really need at this point, but since it's missing, there's perhaps more messed in your profile.
I'd try a new one: Edit>Manage Profiles>Ask at startup (not yet 'new')
Then restart browser and in the profile choice click on "New".

As far as I know opera bookmarks plugin hasn't really been updated in many years, and I doubt it ever will, since no one here is using it. It just gets recompiled each time when a new KM version is made together with all the other files.

But I'd really try the Klassic Privacy Bar with the quick switch buttons for Javascript, Cookies etc. Browsing gets far faster if JS is blocked. I can easily have 50 tabs open at a time, that would be completely impossible with JS on. Don't know where you're surfing, but luckily I need JS only for about 5% of the pages smiling smiley



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