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MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 19, 2010 07:53PM

Had K-meleon for a few days and like it. But in MSN hotmail K-meleon does not support the pictures of my contacts or allow me to type email address or subject. This is fine with internet explorer, but I don't want to use that anymore. But will have to change to another search engine if this problem cannot be rectified. Any answers?

Chib51

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 20, 2010 08:01AM

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Chib51
Had K-meleon for a few days and like it. But in MSN hotmail K-meleon does not support the pictures of my contacts or allow me to type email address or subject. This is fine with internet explorer, but I don't want to use that anymore.


But will have to change to another search engine if this problem cannot be rectified.

For the hotmail and other similar problems always try with a Firefox user agent string (change in submenu of Tools) or use the agentswitcher extension by disrupted that comes with reasonable presets.

The problem is discussed extensively if You follow these links about complaints to hotmail.

Many site have faulty browser switches smiling smiley

I do not understand the second §. Please explain what is wrong with the search engine. Search can be fine tuned - but I do not want to write an essay about it.
So I want to know what is exactly needed. grinning smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2010 08:26AM by guenter.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 20, 2010 07:59PM

Thanks guenter, I'll follow that link and see what happens. I don't fully understand your answer - I don't really speak computer language, but I will try your suggestions. The only thing wrong with the search engine was that I could not use hotmail properly with K-meleon (I had to use Internet Explorer for emailing) which meant it was inconvenient and I would have to change.

I only use computers when I have to, so that is why the terms are often strange to me - this is the first time I have used a forum! But I intend to learn.

Thanks again for your help

Chib51

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 20, 2010 08:21PM

Hi again guenter. I followed the link but afraid nothing there addresses the problem, which is that I'm unable to type an email address or subject in their respective fields - they are dead to the cursor. You seem to be suggesting another search engine for emails - well, that's what I do - I use IE or mozilla or other just to email. But I only want to use one search engine, not switch around, so I will probably change to any SE that supports my email - which is all of them except K-meleon.

I'm afraid I have no idea what an agent string is, or where to find it, or what to do with it. I think I'm out of my depth.

But thanks anyway

Chib51



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2010 08:22PM by Chib51.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 21, 2010 12:17AM

Hi Chib51, the problem is that I speak German not English and try to explain in a language that is not my own. Have patience with me. smiling smiley

OK, I will try again.

I went to menu item Tools (submenu item) User Agent (and set it to) Firefox
(my K-Meleon will identify as Firefox after that).

Else You can use F2 - Paranoia User Agent String and do it there.

Make sure the browser accepts all cookies. F2 Privacy General.
Activate JavaScript. F2 JavaScript
Always accepts pictures. F2 Page Display Images.

Greetings to the UK from DE

Bold F2 is the Windows shortcut key to open K-Meleon Preferences.

Bold Words are menu items.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/21/2010 12:22AM by guenter.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Matt
Date: July 21, 2010 03:31AM

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Chib51
But will have to change to another search engine if this problem cannot be rectified.

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Chib51
You seem to be suggesting another search engine for emails - well, that's what I do - I use IE or mozilla or other just to email. But I only want to use one search engine, not switch around, so I will probably change to any SE that supports my email - which is all of them except K-meleon.Chib51

Just my 2 cents:

internet browsers: K-Meleon, SeaMoneky, Opera, Mozilla Firefox, etc.
search engines: Google, Scroogle, Bing, YayHoo!, etc.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 21, 2010 08:09AM

Matt,
2 sagt dir, wofür der Browser benutzt wird /
2 mówi, co jest wykorzystywane w przeglądarce
or something like that smiling smiley



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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Matt
Date: July 21, 2010 01:43PM



The Yankees are not much better grinning smiley - What is a browser? - es gibt tatsächlich keine dummen Fragen ;-)

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 21, 2010 04:04PM

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Matt
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Chib51
But will have to change to another search engine if this problem cannot be rectified.

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Chib51
You seem to be suggesting another search engine for emails - well, that's what I do - I use IE or mozilla or other just to email. But I only want to use one search engine, not switch around, so I will probably change to any SE that supports my email - which is all of them except K-meleon.Chib51

Just my 2 cents:

internet browsers: K-Meleon, SeaMoneky, Opera, Mozilla Firefox, etc.
search engines: Google, Scroogle, Bing, YayHoo!, etc.



As I said before, computer jargon is a strange language that I'm attempting to learn. Thanks for pointing that out.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 21, 2010 04:13PM

The Yankees are not much better grinning smiley - What is a browser? - es gibt tatsächlich keine dummen Fragen ;-)

So kind, thank you so much.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 21, 2010 08:37PM

Ihr Englisch war gut, Guenter. Es war die sonstigen Bedingungen (Jargon), dass ich nicht verstehen konnte, obwohl ich jetzt tun, ich danke Ihnen. Ich kenne auch den Unterschied zwischen einer Suchmaschine und einem Internet-Browser dank einiger Experten, die sehr daran interessiert, darauf hinzuweisen, meine Unwissenheit waren.

Ich folgte Ihren Anweisungen und MSN Hotmail unterstützt jetzt die Fotos und für eine Sitzung erlaubt es mir, Typ-Adressen und den Betreff. Leider befindet sich wieder auf neu zu starten und ich kann es nicht mehr geben in diesen beiden Bereichen. Die Adresse ist kein Problem, weil ich es aus meiner Kontaktliste auswählen können, sondern das Betreff-Feld kann nicht im Sinne es ist immer leer eingegeben werden. Vielleicht ist es nur ein Problem mit MSN und K-Meleon. Ich werde versuchen, andere Lösungen, aber es ist ein Ärgernis.

Danke für Ihre Hilfe

Chrissmiling smiley

Your English was fine, Guenter. It was the other terms (jargon) that I couldn't understand, although I do now, thank you. I also know the difference between a search engine and an internet browser thanks to some experts who were very keen to point out my ignorance.

I followed your instructions and MSN hotmail now supports the photos and for one session it allowed me to type addresses and subject. Unfortunately on restart it reverts and I can no longer type in those two fields. The address is not a problem because I can choose it from my contact list, but the subject field can't be typed in meaning it is always blank. Perhaps it is just a problem with MSN and K-meleon. I will keep trying other solutions but it is a nuisance.

Thanks for your help

Chrissmiling smiley

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 22, 2010 12:19AM

K-Meleon probably referted to sending its own UserAgentString after restart.

IMHO You are over the hill. As soon as You managed to do hotmail once You know to retrace steps to get it going.

I recommend You use "Auto Agentswitch" from the extensions pages.
The extension lets You set and manage per site where to fake Firefox.

There is a post in the extension dedicated forum that links to them: http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?9,94027,94027#msg-94027

p.s. I plainly did not understand what You ment - thx to Matt that I know now.
I had never encountered it in German grinning smiley And I mostly think in German, naturally.
I wonder how Matt found the statistical info. smiling smiley

BTW. You can configure how K-Meleon searches very nicely and accurately.

Your German also reads good.

@ Matt - Chib51 is a Brit not Yankee.



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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 22, 2010 01:50AM

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guenter
K-Meleon probably referted to sending its own UserAgentString after restart.

IMHO You are over the hill. As soon as You managed to do hotmail once You know to retrace steps to get it going.

I recommend You use "Auto Agentswitch" from the extensions pages.
The extension lets You set and manage per site where to fake Firefox.

There is a post in the extension dedicated forum that links to them: http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?9,94027,94027#msg-94027

p.s. I plainly did not understand what You ment - thx to Matt that I know now.
I had never encountered it in German grinning smiley And I mostly think in German, naturally.
I wonder how Matt found the statistical info. smiling smiley

BTW. You can configure how K-Meleon searches very nicely and accurately.

Your German also reads good.

@ Matt - Chib51 is a Brit not Yankee.

Thanks again Guenter but I couldn't open Auto Agentswitch. I saved it but it won't open. I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. Couldn't find anything in the dedicated forum. Thanks but the problem remains: I can't type addresses or subjects in my email. Don't waste any more of your time with it.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Matt
Date: July 22, 2010 02:58AM

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Chib51
Thanks again Guenter but I couldn't open Auto Agentswitch. I saved it but it won't open. I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. Couldn't find anything in the dedicated forum.

Chib, you can install each extension manually or you can use K-Meleon Extensions Manager. If you (will) install extensions occasionally you don't have to bother about KEM. Look closer at the menu entry; this is where new menu items appear in K-Meleon; in this case tools>user agent>auto switch.
Do not hesitate to ask; the forum is to help/ask/inform.

@guenter

Ich weiß woher er kommt (hab' Deine Grüße bemerkt). Ich wollte ihn bloß ermutigen smiling smiley. Und das Umfragefoto hab ich mal einst gesehen und gespeichert.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 22, 2010 03:24AM

Again thanks, Matt, but by following those two links I find information that may as well be in Chinese. It's simple for you, it makes no sense at all to me - it's just a mass of terms and instructions that are so technical they mean nothing to me. Thanks again but this is far too difficult for a non-computer person.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 22, 2010 03:52AM

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Chib51
Thanks again Guenter but I couldn't open Auto Agentswitch. I saved it but it won't open. I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. Couldn't find anything in the dedicated forum.

Chib, you can install each extension manually or you can use K-Meleon Extensions Manager. If you (will) install extensions occasionally you don't have to bother about KEM. Look closer at the menu entry; this is where new menu items appear in K-Meleon; in this case tools>user agent>auto switch.
Do not hesitate to ask; the forum is to help/ask/inform.

@guenter

Ich weiß woher er kommt (hab' Deine Grüße bemerkt). Ich wollte ihn bloß ermutigen smiling smiley. Und das Umfragefoto hab ich mal einst gesehen und gespeichert.


You say 'look closer at the menu entry, tools, user agent, auto switch'. There is no auto switch if I follow those instructions, just default, firefox, sea monkey and custom. Clicking on auto switch offers 'open' which does not function and 'save' which does not help. The links do not show what to install or how to do it, just lots of choice of technical terms and processes that I have no idea how to follow. I don't know what an extension is or why I should occasionally download them. The ONLY problem I have is my email address and subject fields so why should I download anything?

I'm sorry. But you think this is simple, to me it is highly technical and I have no idea what you are saying.

Thanks for past help but it is just very hard work�_�

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Matt
Date: July 22, 2010 04:13AM

Ok, you have the file called agentswitcherplus.7z somewhere on your computer, right? Find it, copy it to K-Meleon root folder, it is where the browser install, usually C:/Program Files/K-Meleon. Now extract/unzip (I don't know the exact name, because english is a foreign language to me) by mouse right-click agentswitcherplus.7z (I assume you've got some proper software like i.e. 7-zip). That's all, now launch K-Meleon.
If you still encounter some problems I'll gladly make a screenshot step by step instruction for you. But not today. Now I need some sleep.

Greetz to the UK from PL smiling smiley.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 22, 2010 05:00AM

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Matt
Ok, you have the file called agentswitcherplus.7z somewhere on your computer, right? Find it, copy it to K-Meleon root folder, it is where the browser install, usually C:/Program Files/K-Meleon. Now extract/unzip (I don't know the exact name, because english is a foreign language to me) by mouse right-click agentswitcherplus.7z (I assume you've got some proper software like i.e. 7-zip). That's all, now launch K-Meleon.
If you still encounter some problems I'll gladly make a screenshot step by step instruction for you. But not today. Now I need some sleep.

Greetz to the UK from PL smiling smiley.

OK. Yes I have the file called agentswitch7z. But if I right click on it I don't get the drop down menu that you show in your examples. I don't get a choice to 'copy'. I have saved the file several times to the root folder. I can watch it save, but the 7z folder never appears in the folder. You say 'that's all' but it isn't. You say now launch KM, but it is already launched - that's how I found the file! It is not the German language it is the computer language. I appreciate your help but this takes hours and what you say is not what I see. If my laptop came with the 'proper software' then I have it, but I have to see the file first and it isn't there. I don't think even a screenshot would help because the instructions just don't correspond with what happens when I try to follow them. Enough. Thank you and goodnightsad smiley

OK. Ja, ich habe die Datei mit dem Namen agentswitch7z. Aber wenn ich einen Rechtsklick auf das ich nicht im Dropdown-Menü, das Sie in Ihrer Beispiele zeigen. Ich habe nicht eine Wahl zu "kopieren". Ich habe die Datei [u gerettet] mehrere [/ u] Mal in den Stammordner. Ich kann sehen sie zu retten, aber das 7z-Ordner erscheint nie in den Ordner. Sie sagen "das ist alles" ist es aber nicht. Du sagst jetzt starten KM, aber es ist bereits gestartet - das ist, wie ich die Datei gefunden! Es ist nicht der deutschen Sprache ist es der Computer-Sprache. Ich schätze Ihre Hilfe, aber diese Stunden dauert und was du sagst, ist nicht das, was ich sehe. Wenn mein Laptop kam mit dem "richtigen Software", dann habe ich es, aber ich muss die Datei zuerst sehen, und es ist nicht da. Ich glaube, nicht einmal einen Screenshot würde helfen, weil die Anweisungen einfach nicht mit dem, was passiert, wenn ich versuche, ihnen zu folgen korrespondieren. Genug. Vielen Dank und gute Nacht.sad smiley

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 22, 2010 05:41AM

Finally found agentswitch in compatability file, but it wouldn't open or respond. Downloaded an unzip file. Now get message: Programfiles/K-meleon/agentswitcherplus.7z is not a valid Win32 application. This has taken hours and hours. And for what? I do appreciate your help and I'm sure you mean well - but I don't believe it. It does not work as you say it will and I waste my days trying to do it.

Schließlich fand agentswitch in Übereinstimmung Datei, aber es wäre nicht zu öffnen oder zu reagieren. Heruntergeladen einen Entpacker Datei. Nun bekommen angezeigt: Program files/K-meleon/agentswitcherplus.7z ist keine gültige Win32-Anwendung. Dies hat viele Stunden getroffen. Und für was? Ich schätze Ihre Hilfe, und ich bin sicher, du meinst es gut - aber ich glaube es nicht. Es funktioniert nicht, wie Sie sagen es, und ich meine Tage Abfälle versucht, es zu tun.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: disrupted
Date: July 22, 2010 10:10AM

you don't need the user agent switcher, you don't need to manually change your user agent.. you don't need anything to use hot/live mail with kmeleon.
as apparent in this snapshot:


hotmail used to have ua problem with kmeleon, that's true..but they fixed their sniffer a long while ago.. not for our sake of course, i'm guessing because google chrome users suffered from that same problem and ms couldn't risk another compliance case on their arse after they delivberately blocked out opera before..so anyway, you obviously have another problem not related to the ua and i doubt very much that using the ff ua will fix that problem. it's probably something in your settings, check to see if js isn't blocked cause limiting js will certainly cripple many things in hotmail

for installing extensions, please refer to the faq.
http://kmext.sourceforge.net/help.htm
for your convenience, there's also an extension manager
http://kmext.sourceforge.net/kem.htm

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 22, 2010 10:33PM

"you don't need anything to use hot/live mail with kmeleon."

Clearly I do because I can't fill in the address and subject fields. I can in the other browsers I've used including Internet Explorer. The problem only happens in KM, which I want to use but can't if I don't fix this problem.

I'm afraid I didn't understand the rest of your message. I've visited those links several times and have no idea what to do with that massive choice of technical information.

Thanks anyway,

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 22, 2010 11:42PM

I have no problems composing in hot mail. I use Agentswitcher and my K-Meleon switches to Firefox, I do not remember whether this is a pre-set by disrupted or was set by me. Guess it is a relict from the past, disrupted is the specialist for such knowledge.

Anyway I think I send You a mail with a read out of the as far as I know essential settings that I have used while composing the mail. Apply them.

If this does not works create a new profile and try that. It comes with default settings tha fit for most situation. My essential settings are based on them.

Extension mechanise a trick (e.g. AgentSwitching) or add a feature.

Extensions are packed as 7z that is an archive format made with the archive tool from here: http://www.7-zip.org/download.html

You need the tool to extract them again. The extensions unpack into folders.
These folder have names that correspond with sub-folders inside K-Meleon's install folder.

If You want to manually install an extension You extract & then copy the content of the extension folders into the K-Meleon folders with the same name.

Else You use the manager - cannot tell how it works, I still do it manually. smiling smiley

p.s. Once You managed to do hotmail - make sure that the settings stick.
Check them occasionally before going to hotmail.



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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 23, 2010 12:55AM

Thanks Guenter. I can use hotmail. That is not the problem. The problem is I can't enter an address or a subject. That hasn't changed. I can't add extensions because the KM instructions do not correspond with what happens with my computer. Now my computer tells me that I do not have administrative rights to save to the KM folder. I have no idea what you or my computer is telling me. I just wanted to change my internet browser. I thought it might be interesting and useful but it is nothing but problems and the strangest language I have ever heard. I don't like Internet Explorer but I am going back because everything works there. There is no need to keep adding extensions and agents - it just works.

Thanks for trying.

Dank Guenter. Ich kann mit hotmail. Das ist nicht das Problem. Das Problem ist, kann ich nicht geben Sie eine Adresse oder einen Gegenstand. Das hat sich nicht verändert. Ich kann keine Erweiterungen, da die KM nicht mit Anweisungen, was passiert mit meinem Computer korrespondieren. Jetzt ist mein Computer sagt mir, dass ich nicht über Administratorrechte verfügen, um die KM-Ordner zu speichern. Ich habe keine Ahnung, was Sie oder mein Computer ist mir zu sagen. Ich wollte nur meine Internet-Browsers zu ändern. Ich dachte, es könnte interessant und nützlich sein, aber es ist nichts als Probleme und die seltsamsten Sprache, die ich je gehört habe. Ich weiß nicht, wie Internet Explorer, aber ich bin wieder hin, weil alles funktioniert es. Es besteht keine Notwendigkeit, um das Hinzufügen Erweiterungen und Agenten - es funktioniert einfach.

Vielen Dank für den Versuch.

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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 23, 2010 03:46AM

You must be administrator at the moment when You add programs or items to certain folders. If You are not checked in as administrator the system tells You that You do not have the right to do such jobs. It is a Windows security feature.

A workaround for that would be to install K-Melon in Your own Data Folder.

I wonder how You installed K-Meleon when You were not administrator?

We all tried our best to get this riddle solved; Let's hope You have a favourable impression of K-Meleon and the forum that supports it.

Greetings to the UK.

p.s. Vermutlich bin ich mit fast 60 zu alt um in einer fremden Sprache gut zu erklären sad smiley



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Re: MSN hotmail
Posted by: Chib51
Date: July 25, 2010 08:03AM

"We all tried our best to get this riddle solved; Let's hope You have a favourable impression of K-Meleon and the forum that supports it."

"Greetings to the UK."

Ja, du hast sehr viel helfen. Sie waren sehr geduldig und habe alles versucht. Ich fürchte, Ihr Niveau ist zu technisch für mich und ich konnte dich nicht an meine E-Mail korrekt zu unterstützen, die ich gern hätte. Es gab definitley Probleme - wenn Sie immer unterstützen konnte HM Sie würden viel mehr Nutzer haben. Viel Glück und danke,

Chris Hiltongrinning smiley

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