I used to be able to spoof my user agent & use Bing Maps in KM. Now it seems that I can't use it. Multimap is fine. I even tried to use a custom IE 8 user agent, it didn't work. Is this because KM has an older Gecko engine, lazy browser-sniffing by Microsoft or something more sinister?

K-Meleon ~ Not a Melon!

You are right, Bing Maps not work in KM with default UA or others like Firefox 2, Seamonkey 1.1.18. But in this browsers not work Bing Maps also this message is showed to Seamonkey 2.0, but this work fine if you continue, I don't know about Firefox 3, but I think this is other Micro$oft boicot to competence browser.
This is the web showed.

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Bing Maps
The web browser on this computer and the Maps site may not work well together.

To continue, install a browser that is more compatible with this site. Or, continue to use your current browser, keeping in mind that some features may not work correctly.

Is some strange change in JavaScript engine that old Gecko 1.8 not support, because Bing Maps work fine in my old IE6.

You can try to install the "Silverlight Plug-In" this is now "requiered". :mad:

K-Meleon in Spanish



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/21/2010 09:29PM by desga2.

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desga2
You are right, Bing Maps not work in KM with default UA or others like Firefox 2, Seamonkey 1.1.18. But in this browsers not work Bing Maps also this message is showed to Seamonkey 2.0, but this work fine if you continue, I don't know about Firefox 3, but I think this is other Micro$oft boicot to competence browser.

That sounds about right. In Opera 10.10 I can mask as IE or Firefox & it works. But I can't identify as Opera.

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desga2
Is some strange change in JavaScript engine that old Gecko 1.8 not support, because Bing Maps work fine in my old IE6.

It must be.

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desga2
You can try to install the "Silverlight Plug-In" this is now "requiered". :mad:

This one? (Opera 10.10)

Silverlight Plug-Inapplication/x-silverlight scr
application/x-silverlight-2
c:\Program Files\Microsoft Silverlight\3.0.50106.0\npctrl.dll

or this one? (K-Meleon 1.5.3)

File name: npctrl.dll
3.0.50106.0

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
application/x-silverlight npctrl scr Yes
application/x-silverlight-2



Firefox 3.6 & SeaMonkey 2.0.2 are OK as they both have the same plug-in. It must be something related to the older Gecko engine in KM.

K-Meleon ~ Not a Melon!



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2010 12:57AM by Daveski17.

Bing map crippled out all GRE 1.8 based browsers I tried.
Bing Map showed for a short time then disappeared.

Same deal as for K-Meleon.

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K-Meleon is the only Browser with 1.8 GRE still developed & in common use.

Seems like MS is telling K-Meleon Project via Bing:

If EC lawmakers force us to offer Your browser, we and our cartel partners will show the public/users that no new interlopers can use the pages - that are included in the statistics that are later used to measure common browser usage.

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npctrl.dll = npctrl.dll

By definition Netscape type plugin.
All browsers except IE use it.

Or has anyone introduced a change lately?

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Error ConsoleReading shows many Errors for Bing maps:

Warnung: Deklaration erwartet, aber '*' gefunden.  Übersprungen bis zur nächsten Deklaration
Quelldatei: http://www.bing.com/fd/sa/5_12_0_485429/brand3_c.css
Zeile: 1
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Warnung: Unbekannte Eigenschaft '_margin'.  Deklaration ignoriert.
Quelldatei: http://www.bing.com/fd/sa/5_12_0_485429/brand3_c.css
Zeile: 1
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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2010 06:48PM by guenter.

Yeah well...there's always Multimaps & Google Maps!

K-Meleon ~ Not a Melon!

IMHO MS should be fined on the tricks they play on Hotmail and Bing. :drool:

What MS don't appreciated is that their's too many alternatives for them (MS) to have any real effect.

People have woken up to their wise-guy tactics & it just comes across as olde hat cheap & tacky lol

Yet another desperate last ditch attempt at trying to increase their browser decline

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MapQuest works for me. http://www.mapquest.com/

OoOoO works great - like it - thanks James

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Pity. Awhile ago I had played a bit with Bing and IIRC rather liked it :-/

Oh well. Another nice and working one, just a tiny handicap:
http://map.search.ch :cool: (What, no Swiss around? )



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2010 10:02PM by siria.

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Oh well. Another nice and working one, just a tiny handicap:
http://map.search.ch :cool: (What, no Swiss around? )

Real good - hope they increase supported terrain on the map to cover neighbors.

Bing maps is working for me in K-Meleon. What I ended up doing was unmarking "Disallow scripts..." (Page display, Images).

Really? Oh! Good to know, thanx Susan!

Although I think it's not quite so easy, and scripts and such are usually allowed by default. I tried disabling all my paranoia shields and didn't help yet, so there probably must be more to it than setting prefs... More plugins or extensions, perhaps activeX or something... The thing is, for security reasons I have only the absolute minimum of that stuff even installed, and suspect there's the reason :cool:

At least I know it can't be the fault of win98, since bingmaps do work on my Opera 9.6, where I haven't disabled or blocked anything. It's intentionally wide open, since I only use it for special cases like that, and wouldn't dare use it for daily browsing. So everything is allowed.

But that bing is really intriguing...
If I get it right, the silverlight is only needed for the newest features like street view and such, which have extremely high resolution, but the "normal stuff" should still work without:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-10408140-265.html

Man, that street view thing is really awesome, so DETAILLED, but getting more and more scary for my paranoid mind, uh oh...!!!

You don't need Bing Maps! Bing Maps are from NAVTEQ and you can browse by NAVTEQ maps in his Web page: http://www.navteq.com/ (needed Java).

K-Meleon in Spanish



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/23/2010 12:40PM by desga2.

@desga2 that is much better.
They even seem to have sniffed my URL and set a place near Hannover as center

Hmm, perhaps because I don't have java installed, but the scale is **MUCH** smaller than on bing. And no birdview, only straight from above, so you don't know whether a gray area may be a place or a roof or...

Have now tried some unofficial KM-variations, but all have the same prob, the km-exe gives only errors in win98, unlike firefox, which also has a new gecko. Then I've downloaded the latest opera-usb, and I like it With 12MB small enough for a secondary browser for special cases.
The funny thing is, there's a pref to block plug-ins, and yet bingmaps are working! So is it really just some special javascript commands missing in old gecko??

Pity KM doesn't work, 'cause there I'd know how to remove that big box on the left side, via toggling adblock stylesheet:
#msve_taskArea { display: none !important; }



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/23/2010 05:54PM by siria.

NAVTEQ looks great. It is a beta though so I reckon it will rival Bing eventually. It seems to think that I live above the Thames Estuary though!

K-Meleon ~ Not a Melon!

I have trouble using NAVTEQ. Javascript is turned on but I cannot search for an address by clicking on "search" button. I did get it work by leaving the cursor in the address field and pressing "enter". They found my address and I could see an aerial view also. However when I tried to use the scroll it would not work and the mouse pointer became jerky. I tired to put into policies manager for require javascript and KM failed.

Mapquest also use NAVTEQ maps.
But if you like Bing with his bird's eye you can use it from Ask.com:
http://maps.ask.com/maps

And this work with K-Meleon 1.5.4 but not in previus versions.

K-Meleon in Spanish

My K-Meleon 1.53 works on Bing Maps without problem. I have the custom UA:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090624 Firefox/3.5 (.NET CLR 4.0.20506)
and Silverlight plugin installed.

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My K-Meleon 1.53 works on Bing Maps without problem. I have the custom UA:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090624 Firefox/3.5 (.NET CLR 4.0.20506)
and Silverlight plugin installed.

dnavy,

That sounds likely, having to install the Silverlight plugin to make it work.

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They at least let you load it up now, but zoom with scroll wheel does not get the center correctly.

Does anyone know anywhere with equivilent Ordananace survey mapping for the UK?

@ Jon

It requires Javascript and my mouse wheel is very touchy. You have to use the left button and drag a spot to the center.

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